Hello
I want to upgrade my home with a smart home system.
Which smart home system would be best suited for this?
The following points should be covered:
- If possible, everything should be controllable via one app
- It should be possible to create rules
- All solutions should allow either replacing or continuing to use the existing switches (surface-mounted or flush-mounted)
- Everything should also be manually operable without a phone and without internet
- Control electric roller shutters: for example, I want to set the shutters to close automatically at sunset (so the time adjusts automatically each day).
We have a sliding door that lifts and slides. If it is open or ajar but not fully closed, the shutters at the door should not close and lock me out 🙂
- Control underfloor heating: all rooms have underfloor heating with individual thermostats. I want to set the temperature once, for example living room 21°C (70°F) and bedroom 18°C (64°F), and the system should then regulate everything else to maintain the temperature.
Later, I want to add the following:
Light switches: I want to control all light switches via the app (on/off), but they should also remain manually operable.
Window sensors: to check if any window is still open or to notify me if it is raining and a window is open.
I will also install a Hörmann sectional garage door later, which I would like to integrate (but it wouldn’t be a big issue if it needs to run separately).
I want to upgrade my home with a smart home system.
Which smart home system would be best suited for this?
The following points should be covered:
- If possible, everything should be controllable via one app
- It should be possible to create rules
- All solutions should allow either replacing or continuing to use the existing switches (surface-mounted or flush-mounted)
- Everything should also be manually operable without a phone and without internet
- Control electric roller shutters: for example, I want to set the shutters to close automatically at sunset (so the time adjusts automatically each day).
We have a sliding door that lifts and slides. If it is open or ajar but not fully closed, the shutters at the door should not close and lock me out 🙂
- Control underfloor heating: all rooms have underfloor heating with individual thermostats. I want to set the temperature once, for example living room 21°C (70°F) and bedroom 18°C (64°F), and the system should then regulate everything else to maintain the temperature.
Later, I want to add the following:
Light switches: I want to control all light switches via the app (on/off), but they should also remain manually operable.
Window sensors: to check if any window is still open or to notify me if it is raining and a window is open.
I will also install a Hörmann sectional garage door later, which I would like to integrate (but it wouldn’t be a big issue if it needs to run separately).
Pwnage619 schrieb:
Are you familiar with Homee? Could that be a suitable, good central control unit? Homee? Is that still around? I thought it was discontinued.
Pwnage619 schrieb:
Why? Can’t you just set the temperature and let the underfloor heating regulate the flow by itself? Because the response times of radiant floor heating typically range from a few hours up to several days. Therefore, it doesn’t make sense to adjust it on the fly, for example, if you want it warmer after coming home from work, or if you leave and want to turn down the heating.
The result will be that you’ll end up being cold because the heating can’t react fast enough. If you go on vacation for a week or two, it makes sense to lower the heating—but don’t forget to turn it back on 2-3 days before you return. Of course, this can be automated.
On normal days, when the house is occupied continuously, it’s usually counterproductive to constantly adjust the underfloor heating. You control heating based on the outside temperature sensor, and generally leave the underfloor system alone.
bra-tak schrieb:
I also find the statement implying that new builds without wired bus systems must be considered as old buildings too limited. No one mentioned buses. Please read carefully what has been said. Conventional wiring is outdated and belongs to the domain of older buildings (though it’s still widely used in supposedly modern houses… 🤨). A structured wiring approach is the better solution. This, however, doesn’t necessarily involve buses. It can easily be adapted to any control system—whether it’s a bus system, a PLC (programmable logic controller), or something else entirely.
The flip side is that with conventional wiring you are very limited and often have to rely on workarounds like Wi-Fi switches.
Pwnage619 schrieb:
@Musketier Why? Can’t you just set the temperature and let the underfloor heating regulate the flow automatically?If you want an inefficient heating system, then yes. The room temperature controllers (RTCs) only know the states ON or OFF and nothing in between.With thermostats, you always fluctuate around your desired temperature. If it gets too warm, the thermostat closes. When the screed has cooled down, and thus the air as well, the thermostat opens again. After a few hours, the floor heats up more than necessary until the temperature reaches the RTC. Then it closes again.
I have disabled most of my individual room controls and set the flow properly just once. It’s a bit of work, but it’s worth it.
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Pwnage61930 Mar 2021 09:10@Mycraft As far as I know, homee is still available.
What do you think of Homematic IP?
Sorry, but as I just realized, I have no knowledge about smart home systems.
What do you think of Homematic IP?
Sorry, but as I just realized, I have no knowledge about smart home systems.
bra-tak schrieb:
There are other options besides a wired system to set up a modern smart home (wireless, Wi-Fi). You mean there are ways to satisfy one’s urge to tinker. What has been suggested here so far is still quite far from a truly modern smart home. But yes, the tablets disguised as wall sockets can work like some kind of modern model railway.
Pwnage619 schrieb:
What do you think about Homematic IP? Homematic is a decent solution if you are able to implement it in your place.
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Pwnage61930 Mar 2021 09:28@Mycraft What, in your opinion, does a modern smart home look like, and which functions does it cover? What would it mainly cost?
Why shouldn't I be able to retrofit Homematic IP? As far as I understand, that's what it was designed for.
Why shouldn't I be able to retrofit Homematic IP? As far as I understand, that's what it was designed for.
Pwnage619 schrieb:
Why shouldn’t I be able to retrofit Homematic IP? As far as I understand, that’s what it was designed for. In the 1990s, central locking systems for vehicles were also developed, sold, and installed for retrofitting by many, but not everyone was capable of doing it.
First and foremost, we lack information about your experience with electrical work, wiring, and the relevant safety regulations and standards.
Electricity is deadly and must not be taken lightly.
Furthermore, it is unclear how your wiring is set up. Do you have access to the neutral conductor everywhere or not? Are there single-pole switches, or are there also two-way (or three-way) switches?
And so on.
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