Hello everyone,
we have now started the first "internal" draft planning and I would be very grateful for any feedback – especially if there are any of our “ideas” that are completely off the mark...
Development Plan / Restrictions:
"Facts"
no development plan, last plot at the edge of a village area
Plot size: 330m² (approx. 21.8m x 14.8m / 71.5ft x 48.5ft)
Slope: about 7°
Clay-loam soil, limestone at shallow depth
Information according to building permit inquiry
Site coverage ratio: 0.6
Floor area ratio: 1.2
Street = building line
2 parking spaces
Number of storeys: max. 2 full storeys
Roof style: any
Eaves height 6m (20ft)
Ridge height 10m (33ft)
Client requirements
Style, roof type, building type: flat roof preferred, but e.g., also “modern barn” style
Basement with daylight from the slope as a lower ground floor, above that a “real” storey
2 persons (35, 36 years old)
Space requirement ground floor and upper floor: approx. 200m² (2,150 sq ft) total
Office: 2x home offices
Guest stays per year: none
Open architecture
Modern construction method
Open kitchen with kitchen island: yes
Number of dining seats: 4
Fireplace: no
Garage, carport: not essential, 2 parking spaces sufficient
Utility garden, greenhouse: as little garden as possible
Other wishes: KNX system, air conditioning for main rooms
House design
Designer: do-it-yourself
What do you like most? Why?: main living areas all on one level
What do you dislike? Why?: bathroom and dressing room borderline “small”
Personal budget for the house, including fixtures: approx. 500,000 to max. 700,000 euros
Preferred heating system: we don’t really care
If you had to cut back, on which details or extensions
- Can be omitted: lounge on ground floor, pantry
- Cannot be omitted: guest WC on upper floor, dressing room, minimum clear ceiling height on upper floor 2.70m (better 3m / 9ft 10in)
Why has the design turned out as it is now?, for example:
“Optimizing” the eaves height while maximizing the use of setback distances
Minimize earthworks as much as possible (considering the soil...)
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Have I completely misjudged any fundamental aspect? Is any detail of the design “absurdly expensive”?
Note 1: Views are just for a general idea of the plot situation at this stage – windows and so on still look pretty rough…
Note 2: Plan is drawn roughly to scale (5mm grid = 50cm / 20 inches), numbers in () are m²; north is bottom left on ground floor and upper floor plans, the beautiful view to the south is top right :-)
Already now: many thanks for all your feedback!!!
we have now started the first "internal" draft planning and I would be very grateful for any feedback – especially if there are any of our “ideas” that are completely off the mark...
Development Plan / Restrictions:
"Facts"
no development plan, last plot at the edge of a village area
Plot size: 330m² (approx. 21.8m x 14.8m / 71.5ft x 48.5ft)
Slope: about 7°
Clay-loam soil, limestone at shallow depth
Information according to building permit inquiry
Site coverage ratio: 0.6
Floor area ratio: 1.2
Street = building line
2 parking spaces
Number of storeys: max. 2 full storeys
Roof style: any
Eaves height 6m (20ft)
Ridge height 10m (33ft)
Client requirements
Style, roof type, building type: flat roof preferred, but e.g., also “modern barn” style
Basement with daylight from the slope as a lower ground floor, above that a “real” storey
2 persons (35, 36 years old)
Space requirement ground floor and upper floor: approx. 200m² (2,150 sq ft) total
Office: 2x home offices
Guest stays per year: none
Open architecture
Modern construction method
Open kitchen with kitchen island: yes
Number of dining seats: 4
Fireplace: no
Garage, carport: not essential, 2 parking spaces sufficient
Utility garden, greenhouse: as little garden as possible
Other wishes: KNX system, air conditioning for main rooms
House design
Designer: do-it-yourself
What do you like most? Why?: main living areas all on one level
What do you dislike? Why?: bathroom and dressing room borderline “small”
Personal budget for the house, including fixtures: approx. 500,000 to max. 700,000 euros
Preferred heating system: we don’t really care
If you had to cut back, on which details or extensions
- Can be omitted: lounge on ground floor, pantry
- Cannot be omitted: guest WC on upper floor, dressing room, minimum clear ceiling height on upper floor 2.70m (better 3m / 9ft 10in)
Why has the design turned out as it is now?, for example:
“Optimizing” the eaves height while maximizing the use of setback distances
Minimize earthworks as much as possible (considering the soil...)
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Have I completely misjudged any fundamental aspect? Is any detail of the design “absurdly expensive”?
Note 1: Views are just for a general idea of the plot situation at this stage – windows and so on still look pretty rough…
Note 2: Plan is drawn roughly to scale (5mm grid = 50cm / 20 inches), numbers in () are m²; north is bottom left on ground floor and upper floor plans, the beautiful view to the south is top right :-)
Already now: many thanks for all your feedback!!!
Of course, even a small village is worth placing an avant-garde house in. I am well aware that beyond a certain level of above-average wealth, living in the “right” rural area is better than in a mid-sized town. But a village street is not Broadway, and rural populations tend to be more conservative. You shouldn’t try to shock them too much. The last thing people in the middle of nowhere have been waiting for is loudmouths with a “worldly” attitude saying, “Now we’ll show you country bumpkins how modern architecture works.” Therefore, I caution against overestimating the community’s generally limited willingness to embrace sudden leaps into sophisticated styles. So if you want to do punk, better do it under medical supervision—and best to avoid pogo altogether.
In any case, an authentic modern interpretation of the local architectural style will likely fit better than a Tuscan-Bauhaus substitute villa with a captain’s gable. A good example in this regard would be https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/meinungen-zu-unserem-grundriss-entwurf-erwuenscht.23977/ by @KingSong; unfortunately, the houses by @rick2018 or @hampshire are hardly suitable here (simply because they cannot be scaled down without losing their effect—the issue of visually overwhelming the lot has already been mentioned).
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
In any case, an authentic modern interpretation of the local architectural style will likely fit better than a Tuscan-Bauhaus substitute villa with a captain’s gable. A good example in this regard would be https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/meinungen-zu-unserem-grundriss-entwurf-erwuenscht.23977/ by @KingSong; unfortunately, the houses by @rick2018 or @hampshire are hardly suitable here (simply because they cannot be scaled down without losing their effect—the issue of visually overwhelming the lot has already been mentioned).
haydee schrieb:There’s always something nicer than a parking garage—even the Town Musicians of Bremen knew that ;-)
With the budget, you can do more than just a townhouse on page 17 or a parking garage.
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GaertM1 schrieb:
Plot size: 330m² (approx. 21.8m x 14.8m) GaertM1 schrieb:
No zoning plan, last plot on the edge of a village area GaertM1 schrieb:
Site coverage ratio: 0.6
Floor area ratio: 1.2 GaertM1 schrieb:
Style, roof shape, building type: flat roof would be nice, but also something like a "modern barn"
Basement as a daylight basement due to slope, with a real floor above it GaertM1 schrieb:
Open architecture
Modern construction methods When I read this, I thought of something like: House Kube by architects Spiekermann or the floating cube by architect Lehmann 🙂
Uh @11ant, when was the last time you lived in a village? Sauerkraut and traditional costumes are for tourists. We really have to make an effort to keep up with a conservative city dweller who never leaves their neighborhood. Laptop and lederhosen do exist. Lederhosen actually need to be supported and preserved.
The world has become small. Even behind the moon, the modern era has arrived. In the parking barn (more like a modern barn-style parking garage) there is an electric vehicle charging station. Timber framing and gable roofs are often no longer requirements for a building permit / planning permission. Flat roofs, bungalows, urban villas (page 17), Tuscan style, Bauhaus, shed roofs, cube shapes, etc. stand mixed in vibrant diversity, just like the people.
The parking garage design in a city also won’t bring joy. Only anonymity can help so it doesn’t get personal.
The world has become small. Even behind the moon, the modern era has arrived. In the parking barn (more like a modern barn-style parking garage) there is an electric vehicle charging station. Timber framing and gable roofs are often no longer requirements for a building permit / planning permission. Flat roofs, bungalows, urban villas (page 17), Tuscan style, Bauhaus, shed roofs, cube shapes, etc. stand mixed in vibrant diversity, just like the people.
The parking garage design in a city also won’t bring joy. Only anonymity can help so it doesn’t get personal.
haydee schrieb:
Uh @11ant, when was the last time you lived in a village? Sauerkraut and traditional costumes are for tourists.I am still familiar with the conditions in a real village, having lived in one as recently as thirty years ago – not as provincial as in the city. I don’t have that Americanized image of Edeltraut from Hydlebörg ;-)https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
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I lived in a village for 36 of my 40 years, until reunification just before the end of the world. I’ll say it like this: you are playing into clichés. What’s true is that everything is commented on, and every pub is analyzed by at least 100 experts. That’s just how it is when everyone knows everyone. It’s the downside of lacking anonymity.
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