Hello everyone,
since I am not an expert in this field and want to avoid making mistakes, I would like to know your opinion.
We have purchased a newly built house from a developer, and currently the electrician is working on the property. A high-voltage connection is planned for the garage. However, an electric or hybrid car is not planned within the next 1-2 years. Does it make sense to have a wall box installed right away because of the current incentives? At least that is what the electrician suggested.
Or is just running the cable enough for now (is there any funding for that)? How would you proceed?
Thanks for your advice.
since I am not an expert in this field and want to avoid making mistakes, I would like to know your opinion.
We have purchased a newly built house from a developer, and currently the electrician is working on the property. A high-voltage connection is planned for the garage. However, an electric or hybrid car is not planned within the next 1-2 years. Does it make sense to have a wall box installed right away because of the current incentives? At least that is what the electrician suggested.
Or is just running the cable enough for now (is there any funding for that)? How would you proceed?
Thanks for your advice.
moHouse schrieb:
Where do the 700-800 euros for the connection come from?
Are you referring to the standard house power connection? Or is that the extra charge you pay when you indicate the operation of a wallbox during the house connection application?! That seems quite high to me. Everything is a bit confusing and hidden with them.
The standard house connection costs 500 EUR. A "construction power connection" would cost me an additional 200-300 EUR.
If I apply for eMobility preparation directly, everything is provided free of charge.
Until now, I naively assumed that 1. technically different installations would be done here and 2. that the whole thing would be basically free as a form of advertising and/or subsidy.
Only now have I realized that technically nothing different happens here, but customers are solely tied to the interruptible tariffs. Hence the requirement and rule to use a separate meter 🙁
@netuser
Can’t you just have your electrician run the cable for that? I have the standard electrical meter cabinet used by the general contractor, with one meter that handles everything — house power, heat pump, and soon also the charging station. I had the cable installed during construction. It’s connected inside the house and at the charging station. Done. I even have two more slots available for meters.
Can’t you just have your electrician run the cable for that? I have the standard electrical meter cabinet used by the general contractor, with one meter that handles everything — house power, heat pump, and soon also the charging station. I had the cable installed during construction. It’s connected inside the house and at the charging station. Done. I even have two more slots available for meters.
netuser schrieb:
I am still undecided whether to install the larger meter box prepared for an additional meter or not. The extra cost is 1,200 euros (about $1,300). That’s where the problem lies.
A 1,200-euro (about $1,300) surcharge to upgrade from a single-meter box to one with two meters.
Is that normal? (Yes... premiums for special requests are never really normal in trades 😀)
An additional meter always leads to higher costs anyway, since it is "rented" from the utility company. I think I read somewhere during discussions about air-to-water heat pumps that a second meter costs around 100–150 euros (about $110–$160) per year.
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WilderSueden3 Mar 2021 19:27netuser schrieb:
How do I know if I’ll want to use a separate tariff in X years? 🙂Maybe you don’t want to, but most likely you will have to. One reason is the grid regulations. It’s the same problem as with heat pumps. Both electricity suppliers and grid operators want to avoid peak loads caused by heat pumps and electric vehicles. Another issue is taxes. When gasoline and diesel are phased out, a significant amount of revenue will be lost. Just like diesel compared to heating oil, electricity for vehicles will eventually be taxed more heavily.However, I would only start worrying about this if you plan to get a special electric vehicle tariff soon. The current meter will not be compatible with the electric vehicle tax regulation coming in 2035 anyway.
Andre77 schrieb:
@netuser
Can’t you just have your electrician run the cable for that? I have a standard meter cabinet that was used by the general contractor, with one meter that handles everything—house electricity, heat pump, and soon the wallbox as well. The cable was installed during construction. It’s connected inside the house and at the wallbox. Done. I even have two extra meter slots available.I can 🙂
I’ve already ordered the installation of the appropriate cables to the garage, but unfortunately that’s not the “main problem” here.
I’m slowly understanding that Westnetz is simply offering free “connection preparations” to attract customers and later tie them to regulations and their own requirements.
One of these requirements is an additional meter in case someone wants to operate a wallbox.
Unfortunately, I’m not as lucky as you to have a large cabinet with extra meter slots, and I’ve always declined that so far since it wasn’t really necessary—at least according to previous opinions and statements.
But now, somewhat indirectly, I was told that space must be reserved for future wallbox operation.
I didn’t understand the background to this and tried to weigh whether an additional 1,200 euros (about $1,300) extra cost for the preparation (a larger meter cabinet) is really necessary.
I think I’ve now understood the issue well enough and thank you all for your support.
So this can be considered resolved 🙂
moHouse schrieb:
That’s basically where the problem lies.
1,200 euros extra cost for switching from a meter box with one meter to one with two meters.
Is that normal? (Yes… Extra charges for special requests are never normal in trades 😀)
An additional meter always causes higher costs too, since it’s “rented” from the network operator. I believe I read in discussions about air-to-water heat pumps that a second meter costs around 100-150 euros per year.It’s certainly not normal. At least I consider the 1,200 euros almost like extortion and will probably decide against it.
If it really becomes necessary in X years, I’ll just have to bite the bullet and upgrade then. For now, I don’t see the point.
I am aware that an additional meter always leads to higher costs.
That’s why I’ve avoided extra meters so far in connection with the heat pump.
Although the utility company more or less implied that I’m foolish and among the 5% who won’t benefit from the great heat pump tariffs, I can live with that 🙂
WilderSueden schrieb:
But I would only be concerned about this if you want an electric car tariff soon. The current meter won’t be compatible with the electric driving power regulation from 2035 anyway.I don’t plan to use such tariffs anytime soon, so I will follow this advice and not install any additional meters for now 🙂
Thanks to everyone!
Hello everyone,
unfortunately, submitting applications through progres.nrw is no longer possible. The only option left is the KfW grant with €900 (about $960).
We are in the same situation as the original poster. We don’t currently have an electric car and don’t know when we will buy one.
I requested a quote, which includes a wallbox (Wallbe 2.0s) from freundlichen. After deducting the subsidy, my out-of-pocket cost would be €300 (about $320).
Would you go ahead and buy now or wait?
unfortunately, submitting applications through progres.nrw is no longer possible. The only option left is the KfW grant with €900 (about $960).
We are in the same situation as the original poster. We don’t currently have an electric car and don’t know when we will buy one.
I requested a quote, which includes a wallbox (Wallbe 2.0s) from freundlichen. After deducting the subsidy, my out-of-pocket cost would be €300 (about $320).
Would you go ahead and buy now or wait?
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