Hello everyone,
I hope you can help me. In our development area, there will be a cold local heating network, where the energy provider supplies the heat pump in the house through deep drilling and a connected ring main network.
We have been considering integrating a photovoltaic system to use the self-generated electricity to power the heat pump. So far, so good! Today we received a letter from the energy provider stating that, for billing reasons, it is not possible to use the self-generated electricity for the heat pump.
Here is the original wording:
“As you have correctly understood, for billing reasons it is not feasible to register self-generated electricity from a photovoltaic system. By feeding it into the system through us, there would additionally be the disadvantage that the full Renewable Energy Act surcharge would apply to all electricity, so the benefit of self-generated electricity would no longer be fully realized.”
Has anyone heard of something similar? Is it really not possible?
If that is the case, a photovoltaic system almost doesn’t make sense anymore. The contract conditions do not state anywhere that self-generated electricity cannot be used for the heat pump.
Thank you very much in advance!
I hope you can help me. In our development area, there will be a cold local heating network, where the energy provider supplies the heat pump in the house through deep drilling and a connected ring main network.
We have been considering integrating a photovoltaic system to use the self-generated electricity to power the heat pump. So far, so good! Today we received a letter from the energy provider stating that, for billing reasons, it is not possible to use the self-generated electricity for the heat pump.
Here is the original wording:
“As you have correctly understood, for billing reasons it is not feasible to register self-generated electricity from a photovoltaic system. By feeding it into the system through us, there would additionally be the disadvantage that the full Renewable Energy Act surcharge would apply to all electricity, so the benefit of self-generated electricity would no longer be fully realized.”
Has anyone heard of something similar? Is it really not possible?
If that is the case, a photovoltaic system almost doesn’t make sense anymore. The contract conditions do not state anywhere that self-generated electricity cannot be used for the heat pump.
Thank you very much in advance!
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BananaJoe27 Feb 2021 20:32Have you already replied to this:
Speaking of costs, all figures in the contract are calculated with a 16% VAT – meaning the actual prices are indeed somewhat higher than stated. If you have not already received the contract or the price list last year, I would consider that quite unprofessional...
Zaba12 schrieb:Or does the zoning plan include any mandatory connection to the network? If so, then the matter is settled and any discussion about the costs would be pointless...
Does the land purchase contract require connection to a district heating system?
Speaking of costs, all figures in the contract are calculated with a 16% VAT – meaning the actual prices are indeed somewhat higher than stated. If you have not already received the contract or the price list last year, I would consider that quite unprofessional...
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DaniMartinez27 Feb 2021 21:33BananaJoe schrieb:
Have you already responded to this:
Or does the development plan / zoning plan mention any mandatory connection to the utility network? If so, then that would settle the matter, and any discussion about the costs would be pointless...
Speaking of costs, all figures in the contract are calculated with 16% VAT—that means the actual prices are indeed somewhat higher than stated. If you did not receive the contract or the price list last year, I would consider that quite unprofessional... Neither the purchase contract nor the development plan mentions anything about this, so there is no obligation to do it!
And yes, the issue with the 16% VAT is really unprofessional!!
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nordanney27 Feb 2021 21:49DaniMartinez schrieb:
There is no mention of this in the purchase agreement or the development plan, so there is no obligation to do it!! Well, at least the land buyers had to agree to the entire energy concept. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been awarded the contract. And this probably goes beyond just the district heating. So later on, no complaints are allowed ;-)
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DaniMartinez28 Feb 2021 08:34nordanney schrieb:
Well, at least the buyers of the plots had to agree to the entire energy concept. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have been awarded the contract. And it probably goes beyond just the local heating network. You can’t complain about that later ;-) That’s true, but during the large information event, the energy provider explicitly mentioned that you can use a photovoltaic system and its electricity to operate the heat pump!
Nowhere in the supply contract does it say that this is not allowed or possible!
Only after a written inquiry did we get the answer that it is “not possible from a billing perspective.”
Of course, we buy the operating costs for the heat pump (i.e., the electricity) from the provider through the basic fee of 500€ annually (about $540).
Is it then common to also be charged 6¢/kWh for the heat pump’s output, which is generated with the electricity we already purchased? That feels like paying twice to me!!
And the one-time acquisition cost of 17,400€ (around $18,800) is added on top, so in the end, I don’t own anything and I’m only filling the energy provider’s pockets!!
It’s a great system that not a single homeowner would have agreed to if it had been explained like this at their event!
And as I said, the contract doesn’t say that I am not allowed to do it.
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BananaJoe28 Feb 2021 09:04nordanney schrieb:
Well, at least the land buyers had to agree to the entire energy concept. Otherwise, they wouldn’t have been awarded the contract. And this probably goes beyond just the local heating network. You shouldn’t complain about that later ;-)Of course, I don’t know the exact conditions under which the plots were assigned, but if he didn’t sign anything like that, I wouldn’t see any reason against installing an individual air-to-water heat pump—if that is desired...
Just to clarify for myself:
Has the supply contract already been signed? Even then, the discussion would be pointless…
BananaJoe schrieb:
Or does the development plan specify any obligation to connect to the grid? Such requirements are often also included in local regulations. For these kinds of cold networks in new residential areas, a certain (usually quite high) connection rate is necessary for the network to be economically viable and accessible. Typically, connection obligations are enforced. If you do not want to accept this, then you should not purchase a plot in the new development.
DaniMartinez schrieb:
The supply contract also does not state anywhere that it is prohibited or not allowed! The heat pump is not your property. Therefore, you have no right to control the device or its energy supply.
DaniMartinez schrieb:
Is it common to be charged 6 cents per kWh for the output of the heat pump, which is produced using the already purchased electricity? Yes.
DaniMartinez schrieb:
Owner Ownership comes with responsibilities. If you are not the owner, you are not responsible for anything. However, these costs still have to be covered.
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