Hello everyone,
after quietly reading for some time, I am now hoping for your help.
Almost three years ago, we bought and renovated a bungalow from the 1970s (not an energy-efficient renovation). Since the ground floor now meets our needs, it is time to focus on the attic.
And this is where you come in.
The attic is basically already developed, but not in the way we imagine it.
We want one bathroom with a shower, one master bedroom, and one or two children’s rooms.
Unfortunately, I don’t have dimensioned plans; the exterior measurements were taken from the ground floor plan. The other data were measured by myself and therefore are probably not 100% accurate.
I am mainly looking for creative input and ideas for the room layout. I have attached my first draft/idea.
Important details:
- Concrete ceiling
- Roof pitch 35 degrees
- Two wooden beams and the chimney/vent are fixed and cannot be moved (marked in white)
- Windows as they are
- Wastewater outlet located to the left of the stairs in the exterior wall
- The white lines outside are meant to mark the 1 meter (3 ft 3 in) line, which will become the new knee wall
- The roof shape surprised us somewhat because where the white line for the knee wall is drawn, the large roof is actually recessed into the smaller roof on the inside, which in my opinion makes the smaller roof less usable
What do you think of my idea? Is it feasible or not? Will the rooms/functionality work out well?
Do you have suggestions for improvements or maybe a completely different idea?
after quietly reading for some time, I am now hoping for your help.
Almost three years ago, we bought and renovated a bungalow from the 1970s (not an energy-efficient renovation). Since the ground floor now meets our needs, it is time to focus on the attic.
And this is where you come in.
The attic is basically already developed, but not in the way we imagine it.
We want one bathroom with a shower, one master bedroom, and one or two children’s rooms.
Unfortunately, I don’t have dimensioned plans; the exterior measurements were taken from the ground floor plan. The other data were measured by myself and therefore are probably not 100% accurate.
I am mainly looking for creative input and ideas for the room layout. I have attached my first draft/idea.
Important details:
- Concrete ceiling
- Roof pitch 35 degrees
- Two wooden beams and the chimney/vent are fixed and cannot be moved (marked in white)
- Windows as they are
- Wastewater outlet located to the left of the stairs in the exterior wall
- The white lines outside are meant to mark the 1 meter (3 ft 3 in) line, which will become the new knee wall
- The roof shape surprised us somewhat because where the white line for the knee wall is drawn, the large roof is actually recessed into the smaller roof on the inside, which in my opinion makes the smaller roof less usable
What do you think of my idea? Is it feasible or not? Will the rooms/functionality work out well?
Do you have suggestions for improvements or maybe a completely different idea?
haydee schrieb:
I would suggest rotating it.
Bathroom towards the waste outlet.
Walk-in closet and bedroom towards the gable. But don’t use the walk-in closet as a confined room, use the bedroom for that. Remove the two doors to the bathroom. That only leads to awkward situations. Thank you.
I have thought about that as well.
In my view, the downside would be that the bathroom becomes narrower and would only have a roof window. But I will try to find some time today to draw it out.
icandoit schrieb:
That’s confusing. A hip roof but then windows in the wall?
Please upload photos from the outside. I even have drawings of the exterior. They are attached.
I hope the order is correct:
Front
Back
Right
Left
icandoit schrieb:
Swap the bedroom and walk-in closet. The bedroom has no window. Confined walk-in closets are generally discouraged here in the forum for reasons I understand. But of course, you could remove the wall. My thought was that in a room with just a bed, you usually only spend time sleeping.
Nice-Nofret schrieb:
Please align all floor plans the same way.
Take pictures vertically.
Dimension all positions – of course including beams and chimneys in the middle of the room, as well as windows, other projections, etc. Mark where plumbing connections could be installed.
As it is now, it’s a nightmare. I will try to implement that again. However, the positions are always approximate since I lack reference points.
icandoit schrieb:
Is there no plan of the bungalow? Well, no, not of the upper floor. For the ground floor, there are original plans from the 1970s, but those were already outdated when I bought the house and are almost unreadable after being copied.
Thank you very much.
OK, understood. You have a gable roof, and the extension has a hip roof.
The plans show a roof pitch of at least 40 degrees. Please measure it. I can’t imagine that the actual construction ended up being 10 degrees less.
If you already have the plans, take some photos that we can use. It’s not that difficult. Use a flash; the shadows are terrible.
Please label the walls as North, South, West, and East. That will give a better idea.
The planning documents should have a north arrow. North should be at the top.
OK, understood. You have a gable roof, and the extension has a hip roof.
The plans show a roof pitch of at least 40 degrees. Please measure it. I can’t imagine that the actual construction ended up being 10 degrees less.
If you already have the plans, take some photos that we can use. It’s not that difficult. Use a flash; the shadows are terrible.
Please label the walls as North, South, West, and East. That will give a better idea.
The planning documents should have a north arrow. North should be at the top.
icandoit schrieb:
Okay, understood. You have a gable roof, and the extension has a hip end. The plan shows at least a 40-degree roof pitch. Please measure it to confirm. I can't imagine that the actual construction has a pitch that's 10 degrees less.
Since you already have the plan, take some photos that we can use. It’s not that difficult. Use the flash, as the shadows are quite bad.
Please label the walls as North, South, West, and East. That will give a better idea.Should I do it again? It will take a bit longer since these were all photos I had on my phone.
I also have photos (with shadows) of the roof angle. You’re right, it could be 40 degrees; I would need to check that again with a protractor.
I also need to ask at home for the compass directions.
The elevations are not that important; I’ve seen what I needed to see.
But the roof pitch should be accurate to the degree. It should actually be specified somewhere in the plan. Otherwise, neither the knee wall nor the 2 m (6 ft 7 in) height line will be correct.
In the floor plan, which is often photographed, add the north arrow.
Have you made any changes to the windows compared to the elevations?
A bedroom without a window is not allowed.
If you want solid advice here, you will need to update the ground floor plan to the current version and upload it here.
But the roof pitch should be accurate to the degree. It should actually be specified somewhere in the plan. Otherwise, neither the knee wall nor the 2 m (6 ft 7 in) height line will be correct.
In the floor plan, which is often photographed, add the north arrow.
Have you made any changes to the windows compared to the elevations?
A bedroom without a window is not allowed.
If you want solid advice here, you will need to update the ground floor plan to the current version and upload it here.
Erlkönig schrieb:
Should I do it again? It will just take a bit longer, these are all photos I had on my phone, that's why.
No
I also have photos like that (with shadows) of the roof angle. Although you’re right, it could be 40 degrees, I’d have to check again with a protractor.
Using a protractor is a good idea. Usually, the roof pitch is indicated on the section drawing. If you want to make it easier for yourself and for us, take the cross-section from the plan and draw in the 1-meter and 2-meter lines. At a scale of 1:100, this should be no problem.
I should also ask about the compass directions at home.
That can wait. Thank you.
The area above the extension doesn’t have a window and doesn’t really have a suitable height for living purposes. But it is definitely usable as a storage room. How is the roof currently finished or constructed?
icandoit schrieb:
The views are not that important; I have seen what I needed to see.
However, the roof pitch should be accurate to the degree. It is probably clearly stated somewhere in the plans. Otherwise, neither the knee wall nor the 2-meter (6.6-foot) line will be correct.
Please add the north arrow to the floor plan that is often photographed.
Have you made any changes to the windows compared to the elevations?
A bedroom without a window is not allowed.
If you want solid advice here, you will have to update the ground floor plan to the current status and post it here. icandoit schrieb:
Thank you.
The area above the extension has no window and is not really high enough for living space, but it is definitely suitable as a storage room. How is the roof currently finished? No, neither the north arrow, nor the roof pitch, nor the position of the upper windows are shown; otherwise it would be easier for me as well.
I did not know about the bedroom window requirement.
I am still not clear why the ground floor plan is needed. The layout of the rooms is as shown, so why is the exact size important?
The external dimensions in my drawing are basically taken from the plan.
We have not changed the windows.
I have now attached the current layout with the respective interior dimensions. Even though I don’t understand why, it is useless to us as it is.
Small error: the lower beam is, of course, 3.60 meters (11.8 feet) from the wall.
The roof pitch actually measures 40 degrees with a protractor. The 2-meter (6.6-foot) line was measured in relation to the window on site, as is the current knee wall in the bathroom at 1.10 meters (3.6 feet), so the 1-meter (3.3-foot) line should also be approximately correct.
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