Hello everyone,
I more or less stumbled upon a plot of land after someone let their reservation expire.
The plot is about 606 square meters (6,521 square feet), according to my "measurement" approximately 18.10 meters by 33.50 meters (60 feet by 110 feet), not officially surveyed yet, and now I’m wondering exactly what I can do with it.
The development plan sets out the following for "my plot":
Here I have placed an example house measuring 9.60 meters by 11.95 meters (31.5 feet by 39 feet), which I like based on my initial review (Viebrockhaus Edition 600).
Next to the house, in the 5.50-meter (18 feet) wide space there would be a carport – is that enough space for two parking spots? I would prefer not to make the house narrower just to accommodate vehicles... but then there’s hardly any room left for fencing?!
The terrace and garden at the back are, of course, limited by the tall trees – but that’s a compromise I’ll have to accept.
I’ve never built a house in my life before... so this is my first time dealing with this topic in detail. What would you do in this situation? Make the house a bit smaller?
If you need more information, just ask – as I said, I’m a beginner and eager to learn 🙂
My wishes are:
- Starting from 160 square meters (1,722 square feet) upwards
- I’m currently thinking about a basement and budget around $100k extra for it
- I don’t like long corridors
Once the plot situation is reasonably clear, I’d like to hear your advice on floor plans – that will surely be a more extensive topic.
Best regards
I more or less stumbled upon a plot of land after someone let their reservation expire.
The plot is about 606 square meters (6,521 square feet), according to my "measurement" approximately 18.10 meters by 33.50 meters (60 feet by 110 feet), not officially surveyed yet, and now I’m wondering exactly what I can do with it.
The development plan sets out the following for "my plot":
- 0.35 floor area ratio
- Single-story buildings only
- Maximum building height 10 meters (33 feet)
- Eave height max 4.50 meters (15 feet)
- One driveway with max width of 4 meters (13 feet)
- Two parking spaces are mandatory
- Roof pitch between 15° and 51°
- Roofs of garages etc. may differ in shape
- Garages, carports, and ancillary buildings as defined by §14 (1) of the building use ordinance, which are buildings, must not exceed the street-side building boundaries of the access roads.
- Dormers and roof recesses: the total length of dormers or roof recesses per roof side may not exceed 50% of the total length of that roof side.
- Standard distance to property boundary is 3 meters (10 feet)
- In the southern area, there is an 8-meter (26 feet) deep strip across the full width of the plot (approx. 18 meters (60 feet)) where trees and shrubs must be preserved. This area is quite densely vegetated and reaches heights up to 10 meters (33 feet) – I’ve tried to visualize this below
- In the middle of this vegetation is a downward slope... the building boundary to this strip was reduced from the normal 3 meters to 2 meters (7 feet) so the plots aren’t too restricted.
Here I have placed an example house measuring 9.60 meters by 11.95 meters (31.5 feet by 39 feet), which I like based on my initial review (Viebrockhaus Edition 600).
Next to the house, in the 5.50-meter (18 feet) wide space there would be a carport – is that enough space for two parking spots? I would prefer not to make the house narrower just to accommodate vehicles... but then there’s hardly any room left for fencing?!
The terrace and garden at the back are, of course, limited by the tall trees – but that’s a compromise I’ll have to accept.
I’ve never built a house in my life before... so this is my first time dealing with this topic in detail. What would you do in this situation? Make the house a bit smaller?
If you need more information, just ask – as I said, I’m a beginner and eager to learn 🙂
My wishes are:
- Starting from 160 square meters (1,722 square feet) upwards
- I’m currently thinking about a basement and budget around $100k extra for it
- I don’t like long corridors
Once the plot situation is reasonably clear, I’d like to hear your advice on floor plans – that will surely be a more extensive topic.
Best regards
Everything you mentioned is already reasonably included with Viebrockhaus (underfloor heating, heat pump, good flooring, tiles, clinker bricks, etc.). Of course, you can opt for higher-quality tiles at an additional cost, but I went through the entire selection catalog and ended up at around 10,000 euros (about $11,000). Since you usually choose a bit more on site, I budgeted 15,000 euros (about $16,000). On top of that, another 30,000 euros (about $33,000) for changes to the floor plan and so on (this is often free if it only involves moving walls). Plus an additional 15,000 euros (about $16,500) for extra electrical work (many Viebrockhaus homeowners say the standard is almost enough and budget between 1,000 and 5,000 euros (around $1,100 to $5,500)). I really don’t feel like I’m budgeting too tightly here. What kind of houses are you all building if 800,000 euros (about $880,000) isn’t enough?
SaschaL schrieb:
Everything you mentioned is reasonably included with Viebrockhaus (underfloor heating, heat pump, proper floor, tiles, brick facade, etc...) That is not quite correct. Viebrockhaus is a general contractor like any other. Many non-experts cannot understand the scope of work description. They do not see what is NOT mentioned there.
But it seems to me that you know all this better and we do not know what we are talking about 😉 :P
I have no idea what I might have done to upset you. Do I really come across as resistant to advice to you all? Or just to you? I’m actually not here to debate Viebrockhaus or my finances. But okay, with a 160,000 EUR plot, I would probably need around 1.2 million EUR for a 160 sqm (1,722 sq ft) house – or what do you think would be realistic here? Please change my list in a concrete and constructive way instead of just constantly criticizing it with "that’s not enough," which isn’t very helpful. And again: I won’t run out of money during the build. I just want a rough estimate. If mine is wrong, just tell me what you would expect in my situation.
SaschaL schrieb:
No idea what I might have done to youNothing. Like others, I just offered you well-meaning advice. SaschaL schrieb:
Do I really seem so resistant to advice to you?Yep. When someone points out that your "calculation" is incomplete and missing key elements, advises you to read and inform yourself in the forum, and you basically respond with "no, that’s fine, don’t tell me otherwise," or "Viebrockhaus includes all that," then that IS resistance to advice.
SaschaL schrieb:
For a 160 sqm (1722 sq ft) house, probably 1.2 million – or what do you think would be realistic here?No one says that. Others and I have written extensively about construction costs, etc., in the appropriate subforum. Most of it is even pinned – practically served on a silver platter.
You just have to read it.
You’re inventing sentences... I never said "no, that’s right, don’t tell me otherwise" — and I also didn’t say that Viebrockhaus "includes everything" — it simply doesn’t say that. I asked (!): "Do you really think 600k for house and garden isn’t enough?" — because it seemed unlikely to me...
I also said that if I’m wrong, I’m happy to accept that. Viebrockhaus has a higher base price compared to many others, but of course, my breakdown could be incorrect. I also mentioned that I have additional funds set aside.
From you, on the other hand, came comments like...
"...your ‘anything goes’ attitude,"
or "...then you won’t have any money left for earthworks before the first shovel hits the ground,"
or "You think you know everything" (how do you come up with that??)...
or "It’s best done on graph paper"... without any arguments, I wouldn’t know why using a computer would be worse!? I’m happy to be convinced, but then I’d like to understand why you think that’s better?
No idea, maybe we just don’t get along. It happens.
I also said that if I’m wrong, I’m happy to accept that. Viebrockhaus has a higher base price compared to many others, but of course, my breakdown could be incorrect. I also mentioned that I have additional funds set aside.
From you, on the other hand, came comments like...
"...your ‘anything goes’ attitude,"
or "...then you won’t have any money left for earthworks before the first shovel hits the ground,"
or "You think you know everything" (how do you come up with that??)...
or "It’s best done on graph paper"... without any arguments, I wouldn’t know why using a computer would be worse!? I’m happy to be convinced, but then I’d like to understand why you think that’s better?
No idea, maybe we just don’t get along. It happens.
I like the approach. Instead of spending everything you have right away, it’s a good idea to carefully consider what it’s really worth to you.
However, at this stage, it might not help that much. Talk to a general contractor (GC) or architect about what you want and ask them to provide quotes, specifying that these should be as complete as possible. You can also finalize all the material selections before signing anything, although that will take more time... and it’s negotiable. Since you want to build with good quality anyway, otherwise you wouldn’t have chosen Viebrockhaus. At least have initial discussions with two other companies and pick the best offer. Doing your own preliminary planning and gathering ideas won’t hurt either.
However, at this stage, it might not help that much. Talk to a general contractor (GC) or architect about what you want and ask them to provide quotes, specifying that these should be as complete as possible. You can also finalize all the material selections before signing anything, although that will take more time... and it’s negotiable. Since you want to build with good quality anyway, otherwise you wouldn’t have chosen Viebrockhaus. At least have initial discussions with two other companies and pick the best offer. Doing your own preliminary planning and gathering ideas won’t hurt either.
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