Hello everyone,
I’m new here and looking forward to hearing about your experiences.
We are two families planning to build a semi-detached house soon. The plot costs us 75,000 euros per party.
Our plan is to build a solid structure without a basement. The eaves height is 4m (13 feet).
This limits us quite a bit. The idea is to build a semi-detached house measuring 8 by 12m (26 by 39 feet). Dormer windows (shed dormers) will be added both on the street side and the garden side to improve the appearance and create more space.
Ground floor: guest toilet, utility room, cloakroom, open kitchen/living area, and a pantry.
First floor: 2 children’s rooms, 1 master bedroom, bathroom.
Studio, finished, which could later be used as a bedroom for a third child.
A larger garage will also be added since we have little storage space.
Standard fittings.
My questions:
- Will 200,000 euros be enough for the house? Including additional construction costs?
- Is a gas heating system with underfloor heating in the tiled rooms sufficient?
- Should the heating be installed in the utility room or in the studio? Or even in the garage?
- Some providers are quoting around 220,000 euros including additional costs for a 12 by 7m (39 by 23 feet) house. An extra meter width is estimated to cost around 10,000 to 15,000 euros.
- Are windows in white/gray supposed to cost twice as much?
Our goal is to find a partner to build with 200,000 euros + 75,000 euros for the plot without notary and so on + a “contingency” since construction always costs more than planned + the exterior landscaping. I don’t want to exceed a total of 300,000 euros.
Is this realistic?
Thanks to all,
Alex
I’m new here and looking forward to hearing about your experiences.
We are two families planning to build a semi-detached house soon. The plot costs us 75,000 euros per party.
Our plan is to build a solid structure without a basement. The eaves height is 4m (13 feet).
This limits us quite a bit. The idea is to build a semi-detached house measuring 8 by 12m (26 by 39 feet). Dormer windows (shed dormers) will be added both on the street side and the garden side to improve the appearance and create more space.
Ground floor: guest toilet, utility room, cloakroom, open kitchen/living area, and a pantry.
First floor: 2 children’s rooms, 1 master bedroom, bathroom.
Studio, finished, which could later be used as a bedroom for a third child.
A larger garage will also be added since we have little storage space.
Standard fittings.
My questions:
- Will 200,000 euros be enough for the house? Including additional construction costs?
- Is a gas heating system with underfloor heating in the tiled rooms sufficient?
- Should the heating be installed in the utility room or in the studio? Or even in the garage?
- Some providers are quoting around 220,000 euros including additional costs for a 12 by 7m (39 by 23 feet) house. An extra meter width is estimated to cost around 10,000 to 15,000 euros.
- Are windows in white/gray supposed to cost twice as much?
Our goal is to find a partner to build with 200,000 euros + 75,000 euros for the plot without notary and so on + a “contingency” since construction always costs more than planned + the exterior landscaping. I don’t want to exceed a total of 300,000 euros.
Is this realistic?
Thanks to all,
Alex
Building expert, thank you very much for your effort.
I promise to improve my texts. Smartphones are not really practical in situations like this.
I now have a better feeling because I’m getting closer to the actual cost reality.
I will definitely get back to you soon with a new subject line.
Best regards from Rheinhessen 😎
Alex
I promise to improve my texts. Smartphones are not really practical in situations like this.
I now have a better feeling because I’m getting closer to the actual cost reality.
I will definitely get back to you soon with a new subject line.
Best regards from Rheinhessen 😎
Alex
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Bauexperte3 May 2013 00:02Hello Alex,
Regards, Bauexperte
Alex80 schrieb:Then our "conversation" has already been worthwhile 😀
I now feel better because I’m getting closer to the realistic prices.
Regards, Bauexperte
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Ingo Kommen14 May 2013 14:53So, let's quickly plan the little house.
A slab-on-grade foundation with one or two steps leading into the house, a clear ceiling height of 2.50 m (8 ft 2 in), an eave height of 4 m (13 ft 1 in), and a roof pitch of 40 degrees.
I end up with about 625 m³ (22,070 ft³). Multiplied by 250 EUR/m³, this results in 156,250 EUR, and even with an additional 20%, we are still below the 200,000 EUR limit. In my opinion, definitely feasible and already realized quite often.
A slab-on-grade foundation with one or two steps leading into the house, a clear ceiling height of 2.50 m (8 ft 2 in), an eave height of 4 m (13 ft 1 in), and a roof pitch of 40 degrees.
I end up with about 625 m³ (22,070 ft³). Multiplied by 250 EUR/m³, this results in 156,250 EUR, and even with an additional 20%, we are still below the 200,000 EUR limit. In my opinion, definitely feasible and already realized quite often.
Thank you, Ingo. That’s how my brother builds—he does “everything” himself. According to his calculations, the house alone costs around €135,000 (approximately $144,000).
We are having our house built by a contractor, and no one here offers a price under €230,000 (about $246,000) for the house.
We are having our house built by a contractor, and no one here offers a price under €230,000 (about $246,000) for the house.
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Ingo Kommen15 May 2013 16:12@ Alex80
Many architects and planners are paid according to the HOAI. It is completely normal and logical that they carry out tenders with companies they know or in which they have a financial interest. I’m not saying that everyone operates this way, but unfortunately, it is a common model in some cases. The architect simply has good experience with company A and refuses to try or even contact company B.
For example, I recently started a project. We have a single-family house here with a gross volume (BRI) of 3,000 m3 (105,944 ft3). The first architect obtained bids, all including VAT, in the range of 450,000–500,000 EUR. I have contact with a small but competent company that is willing to build the whole project for 300,000 EUR. And 100 EUR/m3 (18 USD/ft3) is not the limit. These companies just have longer travel distances, sometimes 400–500 km (250–310 miles) to the site, but are definitely skilled.
Also, what is the issue with Bulgaria and Romania? They want to build and are able to build. If Bauexperte thinks that large construction companies only use their own employed workers, then he must live in Bulgaria or the Carpathian Mountains. Every larger construction company – I won’t name names – makes a fortune and has subcontractors from Bulgaria. Of course, you pay premium prices when buying; after all, it was built by a German GmbH (but on the backs of Bulgarian workers).
Well-known developers in my area build the volume you are aiming for, but without floor coverings and wallpapering, for 180,000 EUR. So your 200,000 EUR is not overpriced. Bauexperte can check again: 200,000 EUR divided by (generously) 650 m3 (22,945 ft3) results in 307 EUR/m3 (56 USD/ft3) for me (and also in Bulgaria, Romania, and Takatukaland where many architects should be building), and that is perfectly reasonable.
If you are building on your own, be sure to check which companies you sign contracts with and review references. Don’t let architects discourage you who like to impose their will and try to talk you into their way of thinking.
Regards
Ingo
Many architects and planners are paid according to the HOAI. It is completely normal and logical that they carry out tenders with companies they know or in which they have a financial interest. I’m not saying that everyone operates this way, but unfortunately, it is a common model in some cases. The architect simply has good experience with company A and refuses to try or even contact company B.
For example, I recently started a project. We have a single-family house here with a gross volume (BRI) of 3,000 m3 (105,944 ft3). The first architect obtained bids, all including VAT, in the range of 450,000–500,000 EUR. I have contact with a small but competent company that is willing to build the whole project for 300,000 EUR. And 100 EUR/m3 (18 USD/ft3) is not the limit. These companies just have longer travel distances, sometimes 400–500 km (250–310 miles) to the site, but are definitely skilled.
Also, what is the issue with Bulgaria and Romania? They want to build and are able to build. If Bauexperte thinks that large construction companies only use their own employed workers, then he must live in Bulgaria or the Carpathian Mountains. Every larger construction company – I won’t name names – makes a fortune and has subcontractors from Bulgaria. Of course, you pay premium prices when buying; after all, it was built by a German GmbH (but on the backs of Bulgarian workers).
Well-known developers in my area build the volume you are aiming for, but without floor coverings and wallpapering, for 180,000 EUR. So your 200,000 EUR is not overpriced. Bauexperte can check again: 200,000 EUR divided by (generously) 650 m3 (22,945 ft3) results in 307 EUR/m3 (56 USD/ft3) for me (and also in Bulgaria, Romania, and Takatukaland where many architects should be building), and that is perfectly reasonable.
If you are building on your own, be sure to check which companies you sign contracts with and review references. Don’t let architects discourage you who like to impose their will and try to talk you into their way of thinking.
Regards
Ingo
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