ᐅ Floor plan of a single-family house with a basement, two stories, double garage, approximately 290 sqm of living area plus usable space
Created on: 11 Nov 2020 19:48
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Pfalzpaulianer
Hello everyone,
We have finally received a floor plan from our architect and would like to share it with you for feedback.
Attached is the questionnaire, and thank you in advance for your input.
Development Plan / Restrictions: Paragraph 34, similar to neighboring buildings
Plot size: 709 sqm (currently with an old building (2 stories, approx. 155 m² (1,674 ft²) with basement and garage). Demolition is unavoidable.
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: n.a.
Floor area ratio: n.a.
Building line and boundary setbacks: 3 m (10 feet)
Edge building
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Style: modern house with traditional Palatinate style elements (beaver tail tiles, sandstone features, shutters)
Orientation: south
Maximum height limit: approx. 10 m (33 feet)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: The wonderful view of the vineyards (north) should be considered in the floor plan.
Style, roof type, building type: Since our plot is located in a wine village, we want a new build with classic Palatinate style elements without looking kitschy or outdated.
Basement, stories (full or partial basement, 2 full floors plus attic)
Number of occupants, ages: 5 (ages 41, 40, and 3 children aged 13, 9, 9)
Room requirements for ground and upper floors: Large living and dining area on the ground floor (space for a piano), bathroom and office/bedroom on the ground floor for aging relatives or possible care needs,
1st floor: parents’ area including dressing room and bathroom, home office for husband, guest and TV room,
2nd floor: children’s area with three bedrooms and children’s bathroom
Office: family use or home office: two home offices
Guests per year: 20
Open or closed floor plan: open
Traditional or modern construction style: mix
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open with kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 12
Fireplace: yes, Swedish round tiled stove. However, it cannot be placed directly next to the piano, so we are still looking for an alternative location.
Music/stereo wall: no, TV room on the 1st floor (guest room)
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace above the double garage with views of the vineyards
Garage, carport: double garage
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: -
Additional wishes/particularities/daily routine, also reasons why something should or should not be included
House design
Who designed the plan: architect
What do you like especially? Why? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, roof terrace with beautiful vineyard views, even from the home office, separate TV room, open kitchen with generous living and dining space
What do you not like? Why? Fireplace location, as it is directly next to the piano
Estimated cost according to architect/planner: initial estimate approx. $850k
Personal budget limit for house including fittings: $900k
Preferred heating technology: no preference
[If you have to give up details/expansions: full basement (is a cost issue, as the current house has a basement and must be demolished). A partial basement is planned, and depending on the cost of backfilling, a full basement is also possible. The basement still needs detailed planning and will include at least technical and storage rooms, possibly a workshop/hobby room
- you could give up: large master bedroom
- you cannot give up: children’s floor with children’s bathroom, roof terrace, large dressing room
Why is the design the way it is now? Many discussions with the architect. It is important to us that the house does not look ordinary from the outside. Therefore, it should not be a box but something playful. More expensive, but budgeted accordingly. Exterior elevations are currently being developed and will be shared later.
Which of your wishes were implemented by the architect? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, spacious living, cooking, and dining area, roof terrace, direct access from the garage, separate TV/guest room, two home offices
What do you think are the design’s main strengths or weaknesses?
Great: separate areas, parents’ bathroom and dressing room.
Needs improvement: placement of piano and stove
What is the main or fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Where should the stove go? Children’s bathroom with separate toilet to avoid morning congestion among the three schoolchildren? Kitchen island or U-shaped kitchen (as in the plan)?
Enjoy reviewing and thank you very much for your help.
We have finally received a floor plan from our architect and would like to share it with you for feedback.
Attached is the questionnaire, and thank you in advance for your input.
Development Plan / Restrictions: Paragraph 34, similar to neighboring buildings
Plot size: 709 sqm (currently with an old building (2 stories, approx. 155 m² (1,674 ft²) with basement and garage). Demolition is unavoidable.
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: n.a.
Floor area ratio: n.a.
Building line and boundary setbacks: 3 m (10 feet)
Edge building
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 2
Roof type: gable roof
Style: modern house with traditional Palatinate style elements (beaver tail tiles, sandstone features, shutters)
Orientation: south
Maximum height limit: approx. 10 m (33 feet)
Other requirements
Homeowners’ requirements: The wonderful view of the vineyards (north) should be considered in the floor plan.
Style, roof type, building type: Since our plot is located in a wine village, we want a new build with classic Palatinate style elements without looking kitschy or outdated.
Basement, stories (full or partial basement, 2 full floors plus attic)
Number of occupants, ages: 5 (ages 41, 40, and 3 children aged 13, 9, 9)
Room requirements for ground and upper floors: Large living and dining area on the ground floor (space for a piano), bathroom and office/bedroom on the ground floor for aging relatives or possible care needs,
1st floor: parents’ area including dressing room and bathroom, home office for husband, guest and TV room,
2nd floor: children’s area with three bedrooms and children’s bathroom
Office: family use or home office: two home offices
Guests per year: 20
Open or closed floor plan: open
Traditional or modern construction style: mix
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open with kitchen island
Number of dining seats: 12
Fireplace: yes, Swedish round tiled stove. However, it cannot be placed directly next to the piano, so we are still looking for an alternative location.
Music/stereo wall: no, TV room on the 1st floor (guest room)
Balcony, roof terrace: roof terrace above the double garage with views of the vineyards
Garage, carport: double garage
Vegetable garden, greenhouse: -
Additional wishes/particularities/daily routine, also reasons why something should or should not be included
House design
Who designed the plan: architect
What do you like especially? Why? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, roof terrace with beautiful vineyard views, even from the home office, separate TV room, open kitchen with generous living and dining space
What do you not like? Why? Fireplace location, as it is directly next to the piano
Estimated cost according to architect/planner: initial estimate approx. $850k
Personal budget limit for house including fittings: $900k
Preferred heating technology: no preference
[If you have to give up details/expansions: full basement (is a cost issue, as the current house has a basement and must be demolished). A partial basement is planned, and depending on the cost of backfilling, a full basement is also possible. The basement still needs detailed planning and will include at least technical and storage rooms, possibly a workshop/hobby room
- you could give up: large master bedroom
- you cannot give up: children’s floor with children’s bathroom, roof terrace, large dressing room
Why is the design the way it is now? Many discussions with the architect. It is important to us that the house does not look ordinary from the outside. Therefore, it should not be a box but something playful. More expensive, but budgeted accordingly. Exterior elevations are currently being developed and will be shared later.
Which of your wishes were implemented by the architect? Separate parents’ and children’s areas, spacious living, cooking, and dining area, roof terrace, direct access from the garage, separate TV/guest room, two home offices
What do you think are the design’s main strengths or weaknesses?
Great: separate areas, parents’ bathroom and dressing room.
Needs improvement: placement of piano and stove
What is the main or fundamental question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Where should the stove go? Children’s bathroom with separate toilet to avoid morning congestion among the three schoolchildren? Kitchen island or U-shaped kitchen (as in the plan)?
Enjoy reviewing and thank you very much for your help.
11ant schrieb:
and rather with my wife dAnd with my dear wife... 😎 Joking aside: four stories and a staircase like that—I have to agree with the criticism from @matte1987.
As for the rest, I don’t want to say much because I find the room sizes on the upper floor, for example, quite unusual. I can’t relate to them at all, like the walk-in closet or the bedroom 😀 and then such a narrow corridor... 🙁
I find the living area somewhat unstructured.
ypg schrieb:
And with my dear wife... 😎
Joking aside: 4 floors and a staircase like that, I have to agree with @matte1987’s criticism. Do you think the original poster has no dear wife, but rather a shrew, making separate home offices on different floors necessary???
Regarding the floors, I have already suggested my impression: that a design intended for one-and-a-half stories was used, where “parents” share a level with “child 2” and the parents are simply given a whole additional upper floor between the ground floor and the top floor. Such a “lazy workaround” would of course lose its purpose if one considered enlarging the staircase proportionally to the overall new-to-old floor area. Together with the confession—supported by specific floor plans—that the design phase started before the preliminary design phase (decision on the allocation of the room program and building volumes) was completed, I see the architects as practically exposed, probably more like general contractor building permit / planning permission draftsmen. That explanation is enough for me to understand the staircase situation ;-)
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Pfalzpaulianer12 Nov 2020 04:4511ant schrieb:
This is exactly what I feared: that all the question marks in my view are not just unfortunate coincidences but actually stem from wishes implemented by the architects. Try it again without all these wishes, focusing solely on the space program. To put it briefly, I wouldn’t be “surprised” if a more convincing design emerged that way.
That’s how we did it. We only specified the space program. Maybe it was communicated differently in the questionnaire.
According to the windows in the drawings, all the corners are quite dark ;-)
But even so, I can’t understand how the house ended up with this basic (floor)plan shape. I would rather place the guest room on the ground floor and prefer to have my and my wife’s home offices on the same level. Was there a starting model (I suspect with one floor less—the upper floor)? The upper floor seems to me to reflect a common architectural design flaw (which professionals usually avoid) of not developing the upper floor first – its inefficient size and layout strongly suggest this.
Regarding the upper floor: we plan to reduce the size of the master bedroom and enlarge the home office slightly. We love the dressing room and bathroom at their current size. What exactly don’t you like? Your answer was somewhat generic. Whether the guest room or a second office goes upstairs does not really matter. My wife currently tends to work on the ground floor so she can quickly grab tea or similar. Ultimately, it makes no difference since the use is flexible.
Also, design flaw number two: planning specific floors before the space program and building volume are fixed and “allocated” (i.e., design before preliminary design). Ouch. That reinforces my suspicion that a one-and-a-half-story stock design was used.
The space program and building volume are fixed and have been accounted for. We did not use any stock design.
Regarding the stairs: how would you plan these? Our idea was to orient the view toward the vineyard to the north. Ceiling height on the ground floor is about 3 meters (approx. 10 feet), so according to the architect, a straight staircase would be difficult.
Any ideas about the stove location?
Could you please explain in more detail what kind of building this is and under what circumstances it was diagnosed as necessarily requiring demolition?
50-year-old building with poor condition and a damp basement. Footprint 10 x 11 meters (33 x 36 feet).
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Pfalzpaulianer12 Nov 2020 04:47I haven’t quite figured out the quoting function on the iPhone yet. So you will find a few replies in the quote window. Sorry.
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
I haven’t quite figured out the quoting function on the iPhone yet. So you’ll find some answers inside the quote window. Sorry That makes it impossible to quote you now 😉
Stairs: Without exact measurements it’s hard to say, but if you roughly assume double the storage room size, it would only take up about 4.5 m² (48.4 sq ft). That would correspond to a standard staircase in a detached or semi-detached house with a ceiling height of 2.50 m (8.2 ft), so it’s really quite small and therefore steep for a ceiling height of 3 m (9.8 ft). So, basically uncomfortable. Considering the size of the house, it’s also relatively insignificant. And if you think about the children having to use these stairs twice as often, I would call it an unsafe circulation route.
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
50-year-old house with poor condition and damp basement. Footprint 10 x 11 meters (33 x 36 feet) I would first clarify why it is damp before starting any new construction there.
ypg schrieb:
You can’t quote that now. Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
Only the room layout was specified. Maybe it got interpreted differently in the questionnaire. Indeed, it says:
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
Which wishes from the architect were implemented? Closed-off parent and children areas, … and that was done accordingly, probably in the least diligent way I described.
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
We love the walk-in closet and bathroom in this size. Explicitly with a poor layout and an unnecessary 7.77 sqm (84 sq ft) hallway?
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
Room layout and building volume are fixed and taken into account. No, neither is fixed: the cards have definitely not been reshuffled yet. Nothing is decided about the basement—neither its height nor its size.
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
We did not have a preliminary design. That’s not what I suspect you of, but rather the “architects.”
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
Regarding the staircase: How would you design it? We wanted to take the view of the vineyards to the north. Story height in the ground floor is about 3 meters (10 feet), so according to the architect a straight staircase might be difficult. I wouldn’t just transfer the staircase one-to-one into a design extended by a full story; adding one step does not mean you couldn’t have what’s called a “quarter-turn staircase” in this forum. I know that forty years ago, spiral staircases were considered stylish even in larger single-family houses.
Pfalzpaulianer schrieb:
Any ideas about the stove location? No, but you caught me—I forgot a little joke last night: “One wing, one wing! – Mother, the mountain is a hill!” (loosely based on Loriot).
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