ᐅ Our lifelong project: A single-family home with 8,600 square feet of living space

Created on: 8 Nov 2020 12:49
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VanillaSwap
Good morning ladies and gentlemen,

I have found the form that everyone usually fills out in advance to provide more input. We are still trying to find a suitable plot of land. Most of the properties currently listed online in Hesse have either a too low floor area ratio or site coverage ratio, or they are unsuitable due to their location or neighborhood.

In general, we are not fixed on Hesse and have decided to remain flexible, as long as the location is not in the eastern part of the country (too far away for us), since this building project is only intended as a second home, to be used as a weekend house.

We see this house as our last major construction project before retirement. We are both very skilled at DIY work, so tasks like electrical installation planning, bathroom construction, and even building a sauna and steam bath have already been completed entirely by ourselves. We also finished the last interior work completely on our own, as well as the garden including the terrace and pond, independently built. As you can see, there is a high level of own initiative and expertise, which we believe enables us to successfully undertake such a project. Additionally, we aim to keep labor costs low by "optimizing" taxes and contributions.

General information about you:
Who are you? Father, mother, 2 teenagers.
How old are you? Parents are in their late 40s, children around 18 years old.
Are more children planned? No.
Are you employed, self-employed, retired, homemaker, etc.? Father is self-employed (lawyer with his own practice), mother does not work.

Income and assets:
What income do you have (gross/net)? Net: at least €30,000 per month as private withdrawal
How much equity do you want to invest in the house project? Preferably a low equity share to make the most of the current available funds (our consideration)

Housing costs:
No rent, own single-family house

General information about the property:
How large is the plot? We are trying to secure a plot from 1500 sqm (approximately 16,150 sq ft) upwards, preferably larger. Our motto is: the bigger, the better. Please feel free to post ideas on where to find such plots in Hesse – private tips via PM will of course be rewarded. We would need a building envelope with dimensions of about 34 x 25-30 meters (112 x 82-98 ft).

New build, existing building (year built), house type? Garage? New build with underground garage (a major wish to accommodate my husband’s small car collection)
How big is the house? (living area / usable area): approximately 800 sqm (8,600 sq ft) plus basement (part underground garage, partly fitness room, etc.)

Construction or purchase costs:
Plot costs: We are budgeting up to half a million (Euros); please correct us if this seems unrealistic. The last time we built was in ’08-’09, and at that time such a budget still worked well for the land.
Development costs: Unknown
Building or purchase costs (including architect, structural engineer): estimated €1,000,000 - €1,500,000
Additional construction-related costs (e.g., utility connections, soil surveyor, temporary power, etc.): Unknown
Outdoor facilities/terrace, paths, garden design, fences, etc.: Outdoor pool desired
Total costs: €1.5 - 2 million

Cost breakdown:
Total costs: €1,500,000
Deductible equity: e.g., €150,000
Financing amount: €1,350,000

Attached you will find some pictures that inspired us stylistically and that represent what the final product should look like. Of course, we know this project is quite demanding in terms of effort and execution, but we are confident that with our ideas and contacts within the industry, we should be able to realize it.

We very much look forward to your input and hope to receive ideas on implementation, opinions on the budget, and suggestions for possible locations of the plot.

Best regards,
S.

Large entrance area with staircase, checkerboard floor, and open wooden door leading to garden


Large, empty basement room with bright walls; glass doors on the right leading to a bright room with wooden floor.


Small house with stone facade and curved gravel driveway, flanked by garden fences and trees.


Well-maintained stone villa with archway, ivy on walls, central planting bed, and gravel path.


Large estate with pool, lounge chairs, red umbrellas, and manicured garden.
11ant9 Nov 2020 17:05
ypg schrieb:

Ah, you mean two secondary residences to spread the risk?

No, multiple secondary residences for other reasons. Due to the XY risk, instead of having one giant main house and a party house, arrange them so they each appear as separate, slightly smaller properties; and to keep that consistent, avoid building a massive garage where all the cars are stored at the main residence. If there’s a sunny day in late autumn, the convertible can quickly be brought over from the neighboring village. You don’t need the hunting vehicle on hand all the time either. So at the house, only the everyday cars and the Corniche or the Cayman for the chauffeur’s day off are kept.
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nordanney
9 Nov 2020 17:46
VanillaSwap schrieb:

Currently, we are living in 400 m2 (4,306 sq ft), and the 800 m2 (8,611 sq ft) was simply used as a rough reference based on similar building projects of acquaintances abroad. Of course, we are also interested in a constructive discussion about the size of the building.

When will you be rebuilding your main house then? If the secondary/vacation home is going to be 800 m2 (8,611 sq ft) plus extras, the main residence that is occupied year-round should be of a corresponding size. Especially if it is already over 10 years old and worn out.
A vacation home of 800 m2 (8,611 sq ft) implies a grand primary residence with at least 1,500 m2 (16,146 sq ft) of living space on a 5,000 m2 (53,820 sq ft) plot or parkland. You wouldn’t want to downgrade when returning to your familiar home after a weekend and constantly feel cramped. There should be a certain generosity and elegant luxury prevailing in such a setting. 😉
LordNibbler10 Nov 2020 13:04
I could imagine that Immoscout ID 123172662 matches your requirements. It is, however, not exactly within the search radius of East Lower Saxony, and the living area is somewhat smaller.

On the other hand, it features its own lake, guesthouse, and boathouse. It has been on the market for over a year now, and several agents haven’t been able to sell it yet (see other users’ comments regarding the resale of such properties).

Therefore, the price should definitely be negotiable.
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hampshire
10 Nov 2020 15:32
nordanney schrieb:

When will you rebuild your main house? If the secondary or holiday home is supposed to be 800m² (8600 sq ft) plus, then the main house that is lived in year-round should also be of comparable size.
With cars, the leisure vehicle is often more expensive than the everyday car. Why should this not be the case with houses as well? Isn’t your holiday island also larger than your garden? Maybe we’re all just thinking too small. At home, only a helicopter landing pad, but on the yacht, right away two...
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haydee
10 Nov 2020 17:07
LordNibbler schrieb:

I could imagine that property listing ID 123172662 matches your requirements. However, it’s not exactly within the search area around East Lower Saxony, and the living space is somewhat smaller.

On the other hand, it features its own lake, guest house, and boathouse. It has been on the market for over a year, and several agents have not been able to sell it yet (see other comments about reselling such estates).

So the price should definitely be negotiable.


I’m considering whether it might be more suitable and practical as a second home. The current garage is a bit low and too small. You can even keep horses there.
11ant10 Nov 2020 19:03
LordNibbler schrieb:

It includes a private lake, guesthouse, and boathouse. It has been on the market for over a year, and several real estate agents have been unable to sell it so far (see other users’ comments about reselling properties like this).
The purchase price can be transferred quickly if you have the funds. But I don’t think anyone really wants to deal with having to provide an anti-money laundering declaration every time property tax is transferred, especially based on the amount ;-(
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