ᐅ Our lifelong project: A single-family home with 8,600 square feet of living space

Created on: 8 Nov 2020 12:49
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VanillaSwap
Good morning ladies and gentlemen,

I have found the form that everyone usually fills out in advance to provide more input. We are still trying to find a suitable plot of land. Most of the properties currently listed online in Hesse have either a too low floor area ratio or site coverage ratio, or they are unsuitable due to their location or neighborhood.

In general, we are not fixed on Hesse and have decided to remain flexible, as long as the location is not in the eastern part of the country (too far away for us), since this building project is only intended as a second home, to be used as a weekend house.

We see this house as our last major construction project before retirement. We are both very skilled at DIY work, so tasks like electrical installation planning, bathroom construction, and even building a sauna and steam bath have already been completed entirely by ourselves. We also finished the last interior work completely on our own, as well as the garden including the terrace and pond, independently built. As you can see, there is a high level of own initiative and expertise, which we believe enables us to successfully undertake such a project. Additionally, we aim to keep labor costs low by "optimizing" taxes and contributions.

General information about you:
Who are you? Father, mother, 2 teenagers.
How old are you? Parents are in their late 40s, children around 18 years old.
Are more children planned? No.
Are you employed, self-employed, retired, homemaker, etc.? Father is self-employed (lawyer with his own practice), mother does not work.

Income and assets:
What income do you have (gross/net)? Net: at least €30,000 per month as private withdrawal
How much equity do you want to invest in the house project? Preferably a low equity share to make the most of the current available funds (our consideration)

Housing costs:
No rent, own single-family house

General information about the property:
How large is the plot? We are trying to secure a plot from 1500 sqm (approximately 16,150 sq ft) upwards, preferably larger. Our motto is: the bigger, the better. Please feel free to post ideas on where to find such plots in Hesse – private tips via PM will of course be rewarded. We would need a building envelope with dimensions of about 34 x 25-30 meters (112 x 82-98 ft).

New build, existing building (year built), house type? Garage? New build with underground garage (a major wish to accommodate my husband’s small car collection)
How big is the house? (living area / usable area): approximately 800 sqm (8,600 sq ft) plus basement (part underground garage, partly fitness room, etc.)

Construction or purchase costs:
Plot costs: We are budgeting up to half a million (Euros); please correct us if this seems unrealistic. The last time we built was in ’08-’09, and at that time such a budget still worked well for the land.
Development costs: Unknown
Building or purchase costs (including architect, structural engineer): estimated €1,000,000 - €1,500,000
Additional construction-related costs (e.g., utility connections, soil surveyor, temporary power, etc.): Unknown
Outdoor facilities/terrace, paths, garden design, fences, etc.: Outdoor pool desired
Total costs: €1.5 - 2 million

Cost breakdown:
Total costs: €1,500,000
Deductible equity: e.g., €150,000
Financing amount: €1,350,000

Attached you will find some pictures that inspired us stylistically and that represent what the final product should look like. Of course, we know this project is quite demanding in terms of effort and execution, but we are confident that with our ideas and contacts within the industry, we should be able to realize it.

We very much look forward to your input and hope to receive ideas on implementation, opinions on the budget, and suggestions for possible locations of the plot.

Best regards,
S.

Large entrance area with staircase, checkerboard floor, and open wooden door leading to garden


Large, empty basement room with bright walls; glass doors on the right leading to a bright room with wooden floor.


Small house with stone facade and curved gravel driveway, flanked by garden fences and trees.


Well-maintained stone villa with archway, ivy on walls, central planting bed, and gravel path.


Large estate with pool, lounge chairs, red umbrellas, and manicured garden.
11ant9 Nov 2020 13:06
Since it seems that the majority of us have decided to take the question at least hypothetically seriously, I would like to add to my contribution:

It has already been mentioned several times that a property above a certain size and with additional parameters could remain unsold even on the shelf of a luxury broker if you ever have to or want to sell it. This property would be the opposite of a quick turn and in the event of a sale might have to be listed for so long that it only finds a buyer in the next market downturn after being advertised during the boom. This impacts the sales result in two ways: through the loss in value and due to the prolonged financing while waiting for the sale to complete.

Furthermore, a large property—if above ground—is only slightly concealable by walls alone and always poses a security risk, as it easily attracts the attention of professional individuals involved in unresolved XY cases.

Therefore, I would suggest designing the complex more discreetly: following the example of the children’s wing from @hampshire, I would plan the casino as a separate unit; and divide the vehicle collection: four, at most five parking spaces at the house. I have always enjoyed combining exchanging vehicles with a short drive. Back then, it was still possible to register the vehicles at the garage location, which also increases security.
Sparfuchs_:p schrieb:

What surprises me most is the discrepancy between the wishes for the house and the budget.

If you read a little in the financing section here, you quickly realize that EVERY quoted number is wrong and there is ALWAYS someone stating that nothing can be done for such a small amount (often right, but it’s always said). In this sense, I would always state my fortune in units of "fantastilliards" and without specifying the currency ;-)

And I would never invest above-average construction funds in sheer quantity as a rule. Secondly, I wouldn’t settle for a hundred square meters (sq m) (1,076 sq ft) in Ticino just because I would have enjoyed all the thousands in the Taunus region (load balancing also works in enjoyment); and first and foremost, I’d rather have Gail in the guest bathroom and staff in the storage room than burn money on sheer size. No amount of taxes—even if I repeatedly doubt that—can save what is lost by building a strong overdose of square meters.
Tassimat schrieb:

But seriously, with an income like that dream and all the social contacts through your current lifestyle and working in your own law firm, it can’t be that hard to find top brokers and top architects, arrange meetings with them, and discuss an approach?

Honestly, if I were a lawyer (apparently specializing in insolvency, banking, or patent law), I would just ask a colleague specializing in divorce law at the lawyers’ regular meeting where to grab a generous house cheaply soon. I wouldn’t go to a forum for that—such deals are made in the sauna club, at hole nineteen, or on a hunt.
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ypg
9 Nov 2020 13:17
Matthew03 schrieb:

When skimming, you also missed that this:


the original poster has already corrected multiple times (!). The 150k equity is just a placeholder.
Yes, same here 🙂

In any case, the necessary funds are not available, otherwise the thread would be unfolding differently by the original poster.

And look, this refers to another post and not the placeholder:
ypg schrieb:

I withdraw my statement regarding the equity from the current property.
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ypg
9 Nov 2020 13:21
11ant schrieb:

Seriously, if I were a lawyer
This is not the lawyer/notary writing here, it’s the wife. Maybe the husband doesn’t even know about the wishes, because which man would leave his expensive vehicle collection, enough to fill a 400cm (13 feet) deep garage, alone during the week?
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HansHansen
9 Nov 2020 13:51
Do not feed the troll
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Matthew03
9 Nov 2020 14:12
ypg schrieb:

The necessary funds are definitely not available

Therefore, the original poster should address the following statement:
VanillaSwap schrieb:

The 150k was just a suggestion, and yes, it would be unfortunate if only 150k in equity were available from the income. The number is subject to change and by no means fixed, just like the 800sqm (8,600 sq ft) of living space.

How much equity is available? How flexible is the living area?

Also, please respond to the sufficient suggestions that have been made between the critical posts. Detailed responses would be appreciated. Thank you.
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ypg
9 Nov 2020 15:43
11ant schrieb:

I would set up the casino as a separate unit, and split the vehicle collection: four, maximum five parking spaces at the house. I have always really enjoyed combining vehicle swapping with a short drive. Back then, it was still possible to register the vehicles at the garage location, which also increases security.

Ah, you mean two secondary residences to share the risk? Brilliant idea!