ᐅ Single-family house floor plan, approximately 200 sqm – comments welcome
Created on: 22 Oct 2020 21:24
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Carlotte
Dear forum,
After spending hours as silent readers in this forum, my partner and I are now ready to share our floor plan for your feedback.
First, here is the questionnaire:
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 1322 sqm (approx. 14,230 sq ft); about 23 x 56 m (75 x 184 ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Floor area ratio: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Edge development: No, only carport/garage and garden shed or storage shed allowed
Number of parking spaces: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Number of stories: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Roof style: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Design style: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Orientation: corner plot approx. 23 x 56 m, streets to the north and west
Maximum height/restrictions: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Other requirements: none
Client Requirements
Design style, roof type, building type: Modern but not too "clean"; preferably a gable roof with a shallow pitch (20–25°)
Basement, stories: no basement, preferably 2 full floors
Number of occupants, ages: currently 2 (30 and 31 years old), planning for 2 children
Space requirements ground floor, upper floor: Ground floor: entrance hall + cloakroom, guest toilet, office/guest room, large utility room + pantry, open living/dining/kitchen area, approx. 100–110 sqm (1076–1184 sq ft);
Upper floor: 2 children's rooms, children's bathroom, open "parents’ area" with dressing room and master bath, small storage room, preferably gallery/open space, approx. 90 sqm (969 sq ft)
Office: occasional home office use, combined workspace and guest room
Overnight guests per year: 10 nights
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern, not too "clean"
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with freestanding island; slight separation between dining and living areas desired
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double carport
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why something should or should not be included: if possible, an open staircase
House design
Who designed it: DIY based on various sources
What do you particularly like? Why?: Separation of dining and living areas despite open layout; direct passage from carport into utility room/pantry and then the kitchen; open space with view of the garden; all bedrooms facing the garden; rectangular building shape
What do you dislike? Why?: -
Price estimate according to architect/planner: floor plans of comparable size were around €450,000
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: €550,000–580,000 including carport, excluding landscaping (plot already owned)
Preferred heating system: ground source heat pump, KFW 55 standard
If you have to give up something, on which features/extensions
-you can give up: open staircase; storage room upstairs; fireplace
-you cannot give up: all other rooms in some form
Why is the design as it is now?
A mix of many examples. So far, the floor plans we received from planners were less to our liking.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters? Affordable (in Lower Saxony; urban area)? Can the staircase on the upper floor be built as shown? Does a ventilation system make sense for KFW 55?
Please ignore the window placement for now; it is rather arbitrary at the moment. The house will be positioned with a 3 m (10 ft) setback on the northeast side of the plot. This means the garden will extend to the south (short side, approx. 23 m (75 ft) total width) and west (approx. 56 m (184 ft) length).
Suggestions, comments, and improvement ideas are very welcome.
Many thanks in advance and best regards,
Carlotta
After spending hours as silent readers in this forum, my partner and I are now ready to share our floor plan for your feedback.
First, here is the questionnaire:
Development Plan/Restrictions
Plot size: 1322 sqm (approx. 14,230 sq ft); about 23 x 56 m (75 x 184 ft)
Slope: No
Site coverage ratio: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Floor area ratio: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Building envelope, building line, and boundary: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Edge development: No, only carport/garage and garden shed or storage shed allowed
Number of parking spaces: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Number of stories: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Roof style: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Design style: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Orientation: corner plot approx. 23 x 56 m, streets to the north and west
Maximum height/restrictions: no development plan – § 34 Federal Building Code
Other requirements: none
Client Requirements
Design style, roof type, building type: Modern but not too "clean"; preferably a gable roof with a shallow pitch (20–25°)
Basement, stories: no basement, preferably 2 full floors
Number of occupants, ages: currently 2 (30 and 31 years old), planning for 2 children
Space requirements ground floor, upper floor: Ground floor: entrance hall + cloakroom, guest toilet, office/guest room, large utility room + pantry, open living/dining/kitchen area, approx. 100–110 sqm (1076–1184 sq ft);
Upper floor: 2 children's rooms, children's bathroom, open "parents’ area" with dressing room and master bath, small storage room, preferably gallery/open space, approx. 90 sqm (969 sq ft)
Office: occasional home office use, combined workspace and guest room
Overnight guests per year: 10 nights
Open or closed architecture: open
Conservative or modern construction: modern, not too "clean"
Open kitchen, kitchen island: open kitchen with freestanding island; slight separation between dining and living areas desired
Number of dining seats: 8
Fireplace: yes
Music/stereo wall: no
Balcony, roof terrace: no
Garage, carport: double carport
Other wishes/special features/daily routine, also reasons why something should or should not be included: if possible, an open staircase
House design
Who designed it: DIY based on various sources
What do you particularly like? Why?: Separation of dining and living areas despite open layout; direct passage from carport into utility room/pantry and then the kitchen; open space with view of the garden; all bedrooms facing the garden; rectangular building shape
What do you dislike? Why?: -
Price estimate according to architect/planner: floor plans of comparable size were around €450,000
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: €550,000–580,000 including carport, excluding landscaping (plot already owned)
Preferred heating system: ground source heat pump, KFW 55 standard
If you have to give up something, on which features/extensions
-you can give up: open staircase; storage room upstairs; fireplace
-you cannot give up: all other rooms in some form
Why is the design as it is now?
A mix of many examples. So far, the floor plans we received from planners were less to our liking.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters? Affordable (in Lower Saxony; urban area)? Can the staircase on the upper floor be built as shown? Does a ventilation system make sense for KFW 55?
Please ignore the window placement for now; it is rather arbitrary at the moment. The house will be positioned with a 3 m (10 ft) setback on the northeast side of the plot. This means the garden will extend to the south (short side, approx. 23 m (75 ft) total width) and west (approx. 56 m (184 ft) length).
Suggestions, comments, and improvement ideas are very welcome.
Many thanks in advance and best regards,
Carlotta
I'm not quite sure:
- The 3.10 m (10 ft) space for the dining table from the island might feel a bit tight. We have 3.40 m (11 ft) and wouldn’t want any less to allow easy passage when someone is sitting at the chair.
- The kitchen will be very large but somehow impractical. Where will the sink be placed?
The decision whether to put the cooktop or the sink on the island is a much-discussed topic. From my own experience, I can only say that you spend much more time at the sink and doing prep work than at the cooktop. We are incredibly happy to have the sink on the island and the cooktop on the countertop and would set it up the same way even after 3 years.
Why not simply have a large island with both? You have the space for that... I’m not a big fan of the bar stool and counter setup, but that’s a matter of taste...
- @ypg already pointed out the issue with the stairs: You mentioned a higher ceiling height on the ground floor. Your stair design won’t work like that; it would be extremely steep. If I take the 5.20 m (17 ft) measurement as a reference, your stairs shouldn’t be longer than 3.5 m (max 4 m).
- I would probably extend the wall with the fireplace; the stairwell connects with the gallery. This would require mirroring the upper floor: parents’ wing on the right, children’s wing on the left.
- The bump-out in the hallway caused by the kids’ bathroom doesn’t really appeal to me either...
My suggestion could certainly be improved, but it should be enough to illustrate what I mean. If the stairs are moved a bit to the left on the plan, there would be enough space to solve the issue with the dressing area and bathroom in the parents’ section. There is space for this since the ground floor hallway is already quite generous at 3 m (10 ft) wide.
If the sofa is rotated, it won’t awkwardly block the window and will create a nice corner for relaxation. Also, the stove would then be visible from the dining area and not only from the couch.
- The 3.10 m (10 ft) space for the dining table from the island might feel a bit tight. We have 3.40 m (11 ft) and wouldn’t want any less to allow easy passage when someone is sitting at the chair.
- The kitchen will be very large but somehow impractical. Where will the sink be placed?
The decision whether to put the cooktop or the sink on the island is a much-discussed topic. From my own experience, I can only say that you spend much more time at the sink and doing prep work than at the cooktop. We are incredibly happy to have the sink on the island and the cooktop on the countertop and would set it up the same way even after 3 years.
Why not simply have a large island with both? You have the space for that... I’m not a big fan of the bar stool and counter setup, but that’s a matter of taste...
- @ypg already pointed out the issue with the stairs: You mentioned a higher ceiling height on the ground floor. Your stair design won’t work like that; it would be extremely steep. If I take the 5.20 m (17 ft) measurement as a reference, your stairs shouldn’t be longer than 3.5 m (max 4 m).
- I would probably extend the wall with the fireplace; the stairwell connects with the gallery. This would require mirroring the upper floor: parents’ wing on the right, children’s wing on the left.
- The bump-out in the hallway caused by the kids’ bathroom doesn’t really appeal to me either...
My suggestion could certainly be improved, but it should be enough to illustrate what I mean. If the stairs are moved a bit to the left on the plan, there would be enough space to solve the issue with the dressing area and bathroom in the parents’ section. There is space for this since the ground floor hallway is already quite generous at 3 m (10 ft) wide.
If the sofa is rotated, it won’t awkwardly block the window and will create a nice corner for relaxation. Also, the stove would then be visible from the dining area and not only from the couch.
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pagoni202028 Oct 2020 09:41matte1987 schrieb:
I'm not so sure:
- the 3.10m (10 ft) space for the dining table from the island might feel quite tight. We have 3.40m (11 ft) and I wouldn’t want less than that to ensure you can easily walk past even if someone is sitting on a chair. I’m also concerned that although 8 chairs plus table can be nicely arranged in 15sqm (160 sq ft), it will likely feel very cramped in everyday use.
We like the suggestions regarding the kitchen and dining area. Despite having a larger kitchen island overall, the space for the dining table increases from 3.10m to approximately 3.80m (around 10.2 ft to 12.5 ft) by rotating it 90°.
Good idea! Besides better orienting the sofa towards the windows, the fireplace can also be used again as an additional room divider that is visible from everywhere. And for example, we could add an extra armchair to the living room.
We initially had the layout mirrored as well but decided on the current arrangement for the following reasons:
matte1987 schrieb:
- I would probably extend the wall with the fireplace
...
If the sofa is then rotated, it won’t look awkward in front of the window and will create a nice cozy corner as a retreat.
Additionally, the stove can then be seen from the dining area, not just from the couch.
Good idea! Besides better orienting the sofa towards the windows, the fireplace can also be used again as an additional room divider that is visible from everywhere. And for example, we could add an extra armchair to the living room.
matte1987 schrieb:The staircase is currently 3.90m long with a ground floor ceiling height of 2.70m (8.9 ft). That should fit, right?!
- @ypg already mentioned the stairs: You referred to a higher ceiling height on the ground floor. Your staircase won’t work like that or it will become extremely steep. If I consider the dimension of 5.20, your staircase shouldn’t be longer than 3.5m (max 4m).
matte1987 schrieb:
- I would probably extend the wall with the fireplace, the stairwell is connected to the gallery. This would require mirroring the upper floor plan. Parents’ zone on the right, children’s on the left.
- I’m also not really convinced by the protrusion in the hallway caused by the children’s bathroom...
My suggestion is, of course, open for improvement but should be enough to illustrate my point.
If the stairs are shifted slightly to the left, there would also be enough space to solve the issue with the walk-in closet and bathroom in the parents’ area. You have that room because the hallway on the ground floor is already spacious at 3m wide (about 9.8 ft).
We initially had the layout mirrored as well but decided on the current arrangement for the following reasons:
- All bedrooms have a view of the garden (in the mirrored version, one room would face the neighbors and the street)
- All wet rooms are stacked directly above each other
- The required space of 32 sqm on the right side is not sufficient for the parents’ area
- Only on the left side is there the possibility for a free-standing wall for the bed
- The walk-in closet has natural daylight in the morning
If you clearly position the bed to look out the window: then why face it south (by the way, south-facing floor plans can be confusing) and not east? The sun only rises in the south if you sleep until noon.
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The space is too short. In addition to your finished ceiling height, you need to account for at least 30 cm (12 inches) of ceiling thickness that you also have to clear. I think the staircase should have 17 steps and will therefore be between approximately 4.25 and 4.60 meters (14 and 15 feet) long. (17 steps, rise about 17.5 cm (7 inches) each, tread between 25 and 27 cm (10 and 11 inches))
We’ve mirrored the layout of the upper floor, so the parents’ and children’s areas are now completely separated. We plan to discuss this with the builder next week. Do you see any major issues that would be difficult to fix?
We’ll trouble you again later with the “professional” drawings :P
We’ll trouble you again later with the “professional” drawings :P
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