ᐅ Third-coat plastering without painter’s fleece?

So, we have a large area of standard painter’s fleece here with paint applied on top. Everything is fine; I don’t see how it could be done better.

Bauherr am L schrieb:

Thank you for the explanation. I now understand the technical difference. How would you assess the quality? I’ve heard that skim coat fleece is better, but why?

Is there actually an answer to this? We have received the first offers now. We requested skim coating, sanding, and painter’s fleece plus painting. However, what was offered to us is skim coat fleece.

Of course, there are fewer work steps involved, so it is cheaper. But how is the result under raking light, etc.?

@Bauherr am L How did you decide?

OWLer schrieb:

Is there any answer to this? We now have the first quotes. We requested filling, sanding, and painting fleece + painting. What we got offered was filling fleece.

@Bauherr am L How did you decide?

I’m bringing this up again because we actually have to make a decision soon. Do you have any pros or cons for filling fleece?

The main issue is the measurement for our cost planning. The painter calculated about 20% more surface area than I roughly estimated beforehand. For my calculation, I added up the areas from the floor plan and didn’t deduct any window or door openings smaller than 2.5sqm (27 sqft).

I come to just under 500sqm (5,380 sqft), but I probably missed a few square meters in the stairwell. On the other hand, in all bedrooms with sloped ceilings, I didn’t reduce the area according to Pythagoras to account for the slope but assumed the full cuboid volume. To me, these two factors should balance each other out, so roughly 500sqm should be filled, sanded, wallpapered with painting fleece, and of course painted.

We had a painter here who measured 590sqm (6,350 sqft), which obviously drives the total cost up at €30/sqm (about $28/sqft gross).

So my options are:

Painter 1
Painting fleece, several employees, good impression and recommended by acquaintances
€25/sqm (about $23/sqft) net

Painter 2
Painting fleece, several employees, local with a good reputation, already did 2 houses in this new development
€25.5/sqm (about $24/sqft)

Painter 3
Filling fleece, works alone, already did 2 houses in the new development successfully – but only plastering and painting without fleece
€14,000 all-in offer

Painter 4
Ukrainian, charged by the hour

I’m actually thinking about biting the bullet and going with Painter 2. Painter 3 is too uncertain for us, especially given the COVID times. If he gets sick or anything happens, we’d be left with nothing since there’s no backup. Painter 1 and 2 don’t differ much, so I’d rather take the local one. I’m too nervous about Painter 4.

What might I have missed in surface area calculations? I calculated every room as a box and only deducted large windows/sliding doors. So I should actually have a clear buffer over the actual measurement, right? We reluctantly increased our painting budget from an unrealistic €10,000 to €15,000 and now it’s supposed to be over €18,000.

Just get it done and have peace of mind? I already spoke kindly with the painter and asked if he could find a way to get closer to €15,000 – we’ll see what comes of that. Then I’ll take another close look at the measurement. Otherwise, I can’t think of anything else.

All participants have solid houses, right? Are there any opinions or experiences with wooden houses?

We plan to fill the joints of the gypsum fiber boards, sand them, prime, and then apply non-woven wallpapers as desired, probably with some additional painting. 🙄

Let’s see if this works out as planned...

OWLer schrieb:

@Bauherr am L How did you decide?

I’m bringing this up again because we really need to decide soon. Do you have any pros and cons for using plaster fleece?

The main issue is the measurement for our cost planning. The painter is calculating nearly 20% more surface area than I had roughly estimated. For my calculation, I added the areas on the floor plan and didn’t subtract any window or door openings smaller than 2.5sqm (27 sq ft).

I come to just under 500sqm (5,380 sq ft), but I probably underestimated the stairs by a few sqm. On the other hand, in all the bedrooms with sloped ceilings, I didn’t adjust the area with Pythagoras to the slope but took the cuboid volume. For me, these two factors should balance each other out, so roughly 500sqm (5,380 sq ft) should be plastered, sanded, covered with painter’s fleece, and of course painted.

We had a painter here who measured 590sqm (6,350 sq ft), which, at 30€/sqm (about $28/sq ft) gross, significantly increases the bill.

So I have the following options:
Painter 1
Painter’s fleece, several employees, good impression and recommended by acquaintances
25€/sqm (about $23/sq ft) net

Painter 2
Painter’s fleece, several employees, nearby and good reputation, has already done two houses in this new development
25.5€/sqm (about $24/sq ft)

Painter 3
Plaster fleece, works alone, has also done two houses in this new development and did well – but only plastering and painting without fleece
14,000 all-inclusive offer

Painter 4
Ukrainian, charged by the hour

I’m seriously considering biting the bullet and choosing Painter 2. Painter 3 seems too risky in these COVID times. If he gets sick or something happens, we would be left with nothing since there is no backup. Painter 1 and 2 are similar, so I’d rather take the local one. Painter 4 I’m too cautious about.

What could I have missed when calculating the surfaces? I calculated each room as a block and only subtracted big windows/sliding doors. So I should actually have a significant buffer above the actual measured area, right? We reluctantly increased our painter budget from a hopeful 10,000€ to 15,000€ and now it looks like it will be over 18,000€.

Just go ahead and get it done to have peace of mind? I already spoke kindly with the painter, asking if there’s any way to get closer to 15,000€ – let’s see what comes of that. Then I’d review the measurement again, but otherwise I can’t think of anything else.

And which option did you decide on? Is there already a result?

Toooias schrieb:

And which option did you choose? Is there already a result?

We went with Painter 2 from next door. So far, he’s working much faster than the overall construction progress. Communication is very pleasant, and he has several workers on site. He also keeps the general contractor on their toes regarding tasks that shouldn’t have to be done by the builder. Unfortunately, the cost is around 17,000.

Scope of work: filling, sanding, filling, sanding, painter’s fleece, painting.

Not cheap at all, but so far the workmanship is flawless. Just what a filled and smoothed drywall surface looks like.