ᐅ Third-coat plastering without painter’s fleece?

Golfi90 schrieb:

For rooms totaling 140m² (1507 sq ft), the pure labor costs were about €2400 (22€ per hour, often two workers...).
In addition, roughly €650 to €750 for materials (several buckets of filler, several buckets of paint, primer, acrylic, plastic sheets, tape, etc.).

However, I think they did a very good job! And I’m quite detail-oriented...

The guys even used LED spotlights to create grazing light from different angles on the walls and then partially hand-sanded the surfaces afterward...

Maybe you know what your painter charges per hour, then you can roughly calculate it yourself.

So, based on our scope of work according to the building contract and specification, the additional cost is roughly €3,000... At least that gives me an idea of what to expect.

Does that include all walls and ceilings for the 140m² (1507 sq ft) area?

exto1791 schrieb:

Another general contractor recommended using painting fleece to make the ceiling “smoother” (Q2 finish remains). As you already mentioned, this is very difficult to achieve... That’s why we’re now considering fully skim-coating the Q2 ceiling (which would be Q3, right?)

Actually, no. Just look up the terms.
Q2 and Q3 are quality levels for plaster finishes—basically how smooth your wall will be. The higher the number, the smoother the surface.
I believe it also has something to do with the composition of the plaster, meaning how coarse the material is, but that’s beyond my expertise.

For our ceiling, we left the skim-coated Q2 as it was. My painter lightly sanded and primed it, and then we had a fleece wallpaper applied over it, which itself has a very fine plaster texture, and then it was painted white.
From a distance (ceiling height—you can’t really stand very close to it), it looks very smooth and even.

We’re not a household with 20 different indirect light sources in the living room, so we don’t place great importance on that level of detail. You’ll need to determine what your own standards are.

You’ll get many tips here from forum members who have very different expectations for their living spaces. Ultimately, it’s up to you whether you spend $3,000 or $30,000 on your walls, but the results will reflect that. In the end, it’s a matter of personal taste.

Oh yes, today we received our first recessed ceiling lights, so I have a current photo showing how our ceiling looks with the fiber fleece and white paint. Below that is a primed and plastered concrete ceiling.

I’m jumping in here: our drywall contractor (who also does the painting) offers Q3 finishing for an additional 9 euros gross per square meter. In total, that’s just under 6,000 euros for the (suspended) ceiling and walls.

Now I’m facing the same question: I can’t really judge whether it’s worth it...

A fleece layer will definitely be applied. Now I’m reading here about “painting fleece” and “taping fleece.” What is the difference between the two?

@Bauherr am L

Unlike painter’s fleece, which is applied to the wall like wallpaper using adhesive paste, filler fleece is embedded into the top layer of filler and thus becomes an integral part of the wall.

Kuota88 schrieb:

@Bauherr am L

Unlike paintable wall fabric, which is applied to the wall like wallpaper using adhesive paste, filling fleece is embedded into the top layer of filler, making it an integral part of the wall.

Thank you for the explanation. I now understand the technical difference. How does it compare in terms of quality? It was said here that filling fleece is better, but why?