ᐅ Ice formation on brine line of heat pump

Created on: 29 Sep 2020 10:28
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Stadtvilla19
We have been using our Viessmann heat pump for a few weeks now. So far, it only needed to provide cooling and hot water, but now that the nights and days are getting colder, we noticed that the ground loop pipe has developed a thick layer of ice, especially in areas where there is little or no insulation on the pipe. During the day, the ice melts and drips, making the floor wet.

I thought this was due to insufficient insulation, and that fully and properly insulating the pipes should solve the problem. However, I recently read that while insulation may help prevent icing, it doesn’t address the root cause, and that this kind of ice buildup isn’t normal. Does anyone have experience with this?
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Stadtvilla19
30 Sep 2020 11:35
The head of our company knows or knew Mr. Waterkotte personally... And Waterkotte is practically the inventor of the whole system, so we actually thought we had found a good company. They do have expertise in this entire subject.
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Stadtvilla19
30 Sep 2020 11:55
So, I have now turned off the cooling. Let’s see what effect that has.

And here are a few pictures, maybe they are helpful.

Digitales Display zeigt Balkendiagramm Laufzeit Verdichter mit Belastungsklasse 1-5 und 2h.


Anzeige einer Wärmepumpe-Bedienoberfläche mit Verdichter-Betriebsstunden 139h, Zurück-Button.


Viessmann Wärmepumpe: Display zeigt 'Wärmepumpe', Anzahl Einschalt. Verd.: 1120, Zurück


Digitales Heizungsdisplay zeigt Heizkreis 1, Neigung 0,4, Niveau 0 K, Zurück


Heizungssteuerung mit Display zeigt Heizkreis 1, Neigung 0,2 und Niveau 0K.
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neo-sciliar
30 Sep 2020 12:00
139 hours at 1100 cycles is definitely too short. This will "kill" your compressor. It’s not the running time that causes wear, but the start-up cycles. For comparison: my heating system is now in its third winter and has 2700 starts with 2300 operating hours.
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Heinz2k
30 Sep 2020 12:06
The unit cycles itself to death. The performance curve is quite okay. I still wonder where all the heating output is going. Could you check at the heating circuit distributor if the pipes are actually open and water is flowing? And do you have a buffer tank?
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Stadtvilla19
30 Sep 2020 12:21
All heating circuit distributors are open, which can be noticed, for example, by a slightly warm floor in the bathroom. The Viessmann unit includes a 170-liter (45-gallon) buffer tank. There is nothing more.
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neo-sciliar
30 Sep 2020 12:32
Is the heating circulation pump (HUP) running at full capacity or reduced speed?
What is the flow rate in the underfloor heating (UFH) manifold?

Your heating system is generating quite a lot of heat. In my opinion, so much that your brine line is freezing because it cannot keep up with the heat extraction. There might also be air bubbles present, but the primary issue is the brine water heat pump.

The message about the supply temperature being too low is confusing to me. It’s possible that there is still air trapped in the underfloor heating system. If you have automatic air vents, you can run the venting program.