ᐅ Single-family home floor plan, 3 children’s bedrooms, goal: reduce square meters
Created on: 20 Sep 2020 21:19
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Tessa22
Hello dear readers,
I hope to find some suggestions from you regarding our attached floor plan.
We have purchased a plot of land over 900 sqm (about 9687 sq ft), flat, without a zoning plan (so no specific regulations, only the usual 3-meter (10 feet) distance to the neighboring property).
The plot is 24 meters (79 feet) wide towards the street and 38 meters (125 feet) deep.
So actually plenty of space.
All our wishes were perfectly implemented.
But unfortunately, we are now over 215 sqm (2316 sq ft)... our target was 190-195 sqm (2045-2099 sq ft).
Now we are significantly above that, but I can't find a proper solution...
The vestibule could be smaller.
The upstairs office doesn’t need to be 19 sqm (204 sq ft), but the problem is that you can’t just reduce 5 sqm (54 sq ft) randomly... The ground floor and upper floor have to fit together again...
We could manage with a 10 sqm (108 sq ft) bathroom.
The office and each children’s room are fine at 15 sqm (161 sq ft), and the double hallway upstairs is not important to us.
The vestibule at 8 sqm (86 sq ft) is also sufficient.
So mathematically I can spot the errors, but in practice... help...
By now, I am stuck in a building bubble, and everything revolves just around the floor plan... And my phone is full of screenshots with furnishing ideas... The more ideas, the more complicated it somehow becomes. Does anyone else feel the same?
I hope to find some suggestions from you regarding our attached floor plan.
We have purchased a plot of land over 900 sqm (about 9687 sq ft), flat, without a zoning plan (so no specific regulations, only the usual 3-meter (10 feet) distance to the neighboring property).
The plot is 24 meters (79 feet) wide towards the street and 38 meters (125 feet) deep.
So actually plenty of space.
All our wishes were perfectly implemented.
But unfortunately, we are now over 215 sqm (2316 sq ft)... our target was 190-195 sqm (2045-2099 sq ft).
Now we are significantly above that, but I can't find a proper solution...
The vestibule could be smaller.
The upstairs office doesn’t need to be 19 sqm (204 sq ft), but the problem is that you can’t just reduce 5 sqm (54 sq ft) randomly... The ground floor and upper floor have to fit together again...
We could manage with a 10 sqm (108 sq ft) bathroom.
The office and each children’s room are fine at 15 sqm (161 sq ft), and the double hallway upstairs is not important to us.
The vestibule at 8 sqm (86 sq ft) is also sufficient.
So mathematically I can spot the errors, but in practice... help...
By now, I am stuck in a building bubble, and everything revolves just around the floor plan... And my phone is full of screenshots with furnishing ideas... The more ideas, the more complicated it somehow becomes. Does anyone else feel the same?
Tessa22 schrieb:
Hmm... That’s exactly why I wanted a mudroom. We currently have a regular coat rack at the entrance, and everything is always lying around. It feels like a thousand jackets and shoes often aren’t put away, so I could keep all shoes, work bags, jackets, etc., in there, and it wouldn’t bother me if they’re just left standing or hanging chaotically on hooks. I don’t like the mess in the entrance area. You know what I mean?
Maybe I also need to teach my husband and kids to be tidier. Yes, I know what you mean. I think shoes belong right by the door to avoid walking through the house as much as possible—especially in wet weather. Even if there’s only a bit of slushy snow left— I know who stepped in it—I’m in socks. A neat coat area with enough storage. Shoes tucked slightly behind a recess. In the mudroom, they just end up scattered around, and in the end, you either step on them with full hands or don’t even see them.
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Alessandro21 Sep 2020 13:06haydee schrieb:
Yes, I know what you mean. I just think shoes belong right by the door to avoid walking through the house with dirty feet as much as possible. Especially in wet weather. Even if there’s only some slushy snow left— I know who’s tracking it in—I’m wearing socks. A proper cloakroom with enough storage space. Shoes tucked slightly behind a recess. If they’re left in the hallway, they just get scattered around, and in the end, you might step on them with full hands or not even see them. Well, I don’t see it as such a big issue. To deal with mud, water, and snow, you can install a doormat right outside the front door. Then have a regular floor mat inside. It actually works very well, even now when we still have gravel outside.
Apologies, dear fellow forum members, if I dismiss your contributions as counterproductive, but from my perspective, they are, because a meaningful discussion is unfortunately pointless when the diagnosis is: T.H.E D.E.S.I.G.N M.U.S.T B.E R.E.D.O.N.E!
No. Even without adding a questionable extra hallway, the clear excess of the actual area compared to the planned area alone is a definite indicator of at least one skipped planning step. So, this is not the beginning of the planning process, but the beginning was skipped and what we see here is at least the second stage. Where the rasp should be working hard, they are only heating up the file. Tinkering with the flawed design does not help anyone. Although not everything is wrong and the next version might look very similar, the design should still be redeveloped, this time following the traditional approach: first the requirements analysis, then the preliminary design, and finally the detailed design. The apprentices always like to believe that after practicing three times, they can jump straight into the fourth project mid-way. But there is a reason why the old masters always start from the very beginning with each project. Brooms, brooms, you have been summoned!
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ypg schrieb:
Yes, somehow 11ant is right with his assumption that no ambitious architect was involved, as everything is still just at the "beginning" of the planning stage.
No. Even without adding a questionable extra hallway, the clear excess of the actual area compared to the planned area alone is a definite indicator of at least one skipped planning step. So, this is not the beginning of the planning process, but the beginning was skipped and what we see here is at least the second stage. Where the rasp should be working hard, they are only heating up the file. Tinkering with the flawed design does not help anyone. Although not everything is wrong and the next version might look very similar, the design should still be redeveloped, this time following the traditional approach: first the requirements analysis, then the preliminary design, and finally the detailed design. The apprentices always like to believe that after practicing three times, they can jump straight into the fourth project mid-way. But there is a reason why the old masters always start from the very beginning with each project. Brooms, brooms, you have been summoned!
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Nice-Nofret21 Sep 2020 14:02I also like the floor plan, so I understand why you are attached to it; however, if it isn’t financially feasible as it is, that doesn’t help much.
If you do stick with this design: position the doors so that there is at least enough space behind them for a bookshelf (40cm (16 inches), or Ikea shelves are often already 40, so 45cm (18 inches)) or wardrobes and kitchen cabinets, which typically require 65cm (26 inches).
Eliminate the unnecessary air space, as it serves no purpose and only complicates the organization of the upper floor.
If you do stick with this design: position the doors so that there is at least enough space behind them for a bookshelf (40cm (16 inches), or Ikea shelves are often already 40, so 45cm (18 inches)) or wardrobes and kitchen cabinets, which typically require 65cm (26 inches).
Eliminate the unnecessary air space, as it serves no purpose and only complicates the organization of the upper floor.
11ant schrieb:
Apologies, dear fellow discussants, if I come across as dismissive of your contributions, but from my perspective, they are counterproductive, because: a qualified discussion is unfortunately pointless when the diagnosis is: T.H.E D.E.S.I.G.N M.U.S.T B.E R.E.D.O.N.E!
No. Even without adding a questionable extra hallway, the clear excess of the actual area over the planned area already indicates at least one skipped planning stage. So, we are not at the start of planning but have skipped the beginning and are at least in the second phase. Where the rasp should be working hard, the file is only being rubbed hot. It doesn’t help anyone to fiddle with a flawed draft. Not everything about it is wrong, and the next draft may be very similar, but nevertheless, the design should be redeveloped—this time following the traditional approach: first gathering the basics, then the preliminary draft, and finally the detailed design. The apprentices always like to think that after practicing three times, they can just jump in halfway through on the fourth project. But there is a reason why the old masters always start from the beginning on every project. Quit while you’re ahead! Well, I would say that all the contributions have really helped me to think smaller.
I really like the area for kitchen, living, and dining, especially with the options for separations and the partly open but also somewhat enclosed feel.
Yes, would it be a valid approach to take this as a basis and redesign all the other rooms? So, a new start keeping some elements that worked well in the old plan. Do I understand that correctly?
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