Hello everyone,
I am finally planning to build our own house with my family. I don’t want to do without a smart system and have already done some research.
Loxone is basically off the table for me because it mainly relies on its proprietary system and products.
Of course, I have repeatedly come back to KNX (as here in the forum as well). However, I am not entirely happy with it because I don’t want to have to call a programmer every time I want to make a change; I also don’t really want to buy the ETS license. Additionally, I want to integrate and network fingerprint scanners, Sonos, and a heat pump, but I haven’t fully figured out how to do this with KNX.
The house basically has two floors with an open-plan kitchen/living area, entrance hall, utility room, bathrooms, children’s rooms, bedroom, garden, and so on.
The following systems should be connected:
- Lighting (some dimmable)
- External blinds / weather station
- Underfloor heating
- Heat pump
- Music system (Sonos)
- Fingerprint access
- Video intercom
- Some switched power outlets
- Photovoltaic system
Since I am technically fairly knowledgeable, I want to be able to manage, adjust, and optimize my system myself in the end.
Does anyone have good input here? Or already experience with Loxone, KNX, or others?
Thanks and best regards,
Stefan
I am finally planning to build our own house with my family. I don’t want to do without a smart system and have already done some research.
Loxone is basically off the table for me because it mainly relies on its proprietary system and products.
Of course, I have repeatedly come back to KNX (as here in the forum as well). However, I am not entirely happy with it because I don’t want to have to call a programmer every time I want to make a change; I also don’t really want to buy the ETS license. Additionally, I want to integrate and network fingerprint scanners, Sonos, and a heat pump, but I haven’t fully figured out how to do this with KNX.
The house basically has two floors with an open-plan kitchen/living area, entrance hall, utility room, bathrooms, children’s rooms, bedroom, garden, and so on.
The following systems should be connected:
- Lighting (some dimmable)
- External blinds / weather station
- Underfloor heating
- Heat pump
- Music system (Sonos)
- Fingerprint access
- Video intercom
- Some switched power outlets
- Photovoltaic system
Since I am technically fairly knowledgeable, I want to be able to manage, adjust, and optimize my system myself in the end.
Does anyone have good input here? Or already experience with Loxone, KNX, or others?
Thanks and best regards,
Stefan
untergasse4320 Aug 2020 08:56Piotr1981 schrieb:
He installs it very often in the houses of prefabricated home manufacturers and has only heard positive feedback from the homeowners.To be clear: He has the least amount of work and makes good money from it. As is often the case when electricians always recommend the same solution without considering the individual requirements (at least that’s my assumption). This usually has nothing to do with whether it is the best solution for the customer or in general.Sure, MyGekko is quite good in terms of connectivity with third-party providers, but I simply find it extremely ugly and inflexible. Generally, I’m just not a fan of proprietary solutions.
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Piotr198120 Aug 2020 08:59untergasse43 schrieb:
So, to be clear: this means he has the least amount of work and earns well from it. As is usually the case when electricians just recommend the same thing without considering the individual requirements (that’s just my assumption).
Sure, MyGekko is pretty good in terms of connectivity, but I find it extremely unattractive and too inflexible for my needs. In general, I just don’t like proprietary solutions. Thank you very much for the information.
Basically, we have to say that the electrician is a friend of ours, and apart from the materials, we don’t have to pay anything.
The reason he recommends it is simply his experience with the system. He won’t make any money from us.
Friends of the sun, after countless hours of aimless research, I have to ask again:
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I’m wondering if I can set up a system where I’m online with a single app (like with the Welcome), meaning both the TKS and the KNX visualization in one place. I’d like to have everything on one system, if possible. The Welcome offers this, which is why I’ve focused on it so far, but if I can achieve this with another system (for example, Gira X1), I’d also be interested in considering that.
What bothers me about the BJ is that it only works through its own visualization. What’s the problem? These devices are very expensive at a “reasonable” size, hence the idea of an “open” solution and using an iPad.
The electrician refers me to the Eisbär, which I still don’t want to have.”
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I’m wondering if I can set up a system where I’m online with a single app (like with the Welcome), meaning both the TKS and the KNX visualization in one place. I’d like to have everything on one system, if possible. The Welcome offers this, which is why I’ve focused on it so far, but if I can achieve this with another system (for example, Gira X1), I’d also be interested in considering that.
What bothers me about the BJ is that it only works through its own visualization. What’s the problem? These devices are very expensive at a “reasonable” size, hence the idea of an “open” solution and using an iPad.
The electrician refers me to the Eisbär, which I still don’t want to have.”
untergasse4320 Aug 2020 09:03Piotr1981 schrieb:
He recommends it simply based on his experience with the system. He won’t be making any money from us. You see, THAT is HIS experience, HE makes it simple for himself. Absolutely legitimate if you accept that. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a particularly good or the best system.
Notstrom schrieb:
I’m just wondering if I can get a system where I am online with "one" app (like with the Welcome), meaning both the TKS and the KNX visualization. I’d like to have everything on one system, if possible.
The Welcome offers that, so the focus has been on it so far, but if I can achieve that with another system (e.g., Gira X1), I would also like to consider it. We already answered that, right? With the Gira Home Server, you can manage that all under ONE interface, soon also with Youvi, and Basalte Home is another option. Nothing else offers you that on a single unified interface. What’s your issue with the Eisbär? Too expensive? Then it also gets tight with the Home Server or other professional solutions. Otherwise, you could probably cobble something together with ioBroker as well.
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Piotr198120 Aug 2020 09:06untergasse43 schrieb:
You see, HIS experience makes it easy for him. Completely legitimate if you accept that. But that doesn’t mean it is a particularly good or the best system. I’m not looking for the BEST system. I want one that is sufficient for me and my family. I don’t have the time to learn the ins and outs of KNX. To have to program something for every little change or call a friend for help. There are pros and cons to everything.
The deciding factor for MyGekko: connectivity with many manufacturers.