ᐅ New construction of a single-family house, approximately 220 sqm. Please provide feedback on the floor plan.

ypg schrieb:

No, for myself.

I didn’t want to insist on a strict translation of the original phrase here. Even my hope has its limits sometimes.

idasb79 schrieb:

I can’t imagine living in a house like that for more than 15 years. My wife just said she actually can imagine that.

Is your wife a fan of Zsa Zsa Gabor?

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idasb79 schrieb:

The plan is to live in the house for about 15 to 20 years and then sell it.

idasb79 schrieb:

We are now 40 and 41 years old, and the children are 14. How long am I supposed to live in a large house? Between 55 and 60, we don’t want to focus on a big house.

idasb79 schrieb:

This is most likely going to happen no earlier than in 10 years,

idasb79 schrieb:

We have no emotional attachment to a few stacked stones

idasb79 schrieb:

We don’t need a guest room because we don’t want overnight guests.

idasb79 schrieb:

We are 40 and 41. I can’t imagine living in such a house for more than 15 years. My wife said she could imagine that.

While reading, I get the impression of a technically rigid life plan; superficially foresighted and casual, but ultimately too neat and therefore not truly strategic; it is probably not without reason that the wife has already made a corrective remark.

We ourselves have lived in many different places and various living situations; yet we have always arranged things so that it could have lasted permanently, even if at some point we consciously decided otherwise again because we do not know today what we will be able to manage tomorrow.

How could anyone already know during current house planning whether they, their spouse, or one of the children will not develop an emotional attachment to this new home and therefore will not be able to sell it as planned in 10 to 15 years? How could anyone know today whether they and/or all family members will still be physically and mentally capable in 10 to 15 years to undertake another—already the fourth—house sale and purchase cycle, not to mention the unpredictability of the constantly changing real estate market?

The outright categorical rejection of any overnight guests naturally does not concern me, but since it is specifically mentioned twice here, I do wonder how tightly the lives of all family members have been planned, especially since we all should know that life often surprises us and we have no idea how our own and our family members’ lives will develop; and ... the lives of teenagers tend to take wild turns anyway.

You basically say that your house will definitely be sold in 10 to 15 years, period, that’s your lifestyle and not like all these rural folks who get sentimental about every stone and paint garden gnomes, all that emotional stuff. After all, this is already my twelfth, um... third house, and I know how it goes. Sorry—but that’s how it sounds to me when I read this.

But for me and especially for all other family members, deciding right now and irrevocably that there will never be an overnight guest in the family home in the next 15 years (not even in cases of illness, family issues, a partner of the spouse or children, life changes, etc.) would mean exactly the opposite of thoughtful planning and freedom of thought.

Therefore, if building such a large house, I would definitely consider possible or currently unimaginable changes in the family’s life.

@pagoni2020, I partly disagree. I wouldn’t reserve a separate guest room if I’m not the type to host overnight visitors. In case it ever becomes necessary, there’s usually a way to find a place anyway. I also wouldn’t always want to plan for every possible, unimaginable change. This is often mentioned here: not to plan for every eventuality. Especially when the homeowners (and both should agree on this) are not sentimental and would sell the house anyway.

Otherwise, I agree that the downstairs area feels too large. In particular, I find the kitchen to be not very ergonomic.

Ysop*** schrieb:

@pagoni2020, I partly see it differently. I wouldn’t keep a guest room just in case if I’m not the type to host overnight guests. In any case, there’s usually a place to accommodate someone when needed. I wouldn’t always want to plan for every possible, unimaginable change. This is often mentioned here – not to plan for every eventuality.

Well, I sure hope you see things differently from me! – Of course, it’s not mandatory to keep a guest room, and you adapt to the situation; after all, that’s usually one reason people have their own home – to live more flexibly sometimes.
My point wasn’t about yes or no to visitors, but rather about the categorical exclusion, almost like a final decision, of something that can’t really be foreseen or planned in a family (including growing teenagers). In the life philosophy presented here as carefully planned, I personally miss the option for OTHER FAMILY MEMBERS to decide independently and in a completely different way. To me, that sounds too rigid, as do the further descriptions of how everything will be in the future (for him AND family members) just because it has always been that way before (flatly put).

Ysop*** schrieb:

the homeowners (and both should agree on that)

Yep… that’s exactly the point! … and it seems to be missing still.

Ysop*** schrieb:

not prone to sentimentality and would sell the house anyway.

I’m probably someone who is not emotionally attached (not to be confused with HWG) and never had problems moving houses or apartments. But I don’t really like this somewhat dismissive attitude toward someone who enjoys building their house and their own “castle,” even if they get excited about something like a garden gnome (surely not the kind to start a world war). That phrase “emotional attachment to stacked stones” sounds condescending and inappropriate to me because I can very well understand that someone feels attached to their home, even if I personally could always let go of that quite easily.
My frequent experience is that people who consider themselves cool and unpretentious in some areas (and I explicitly do NOT mean the original poster here) often just as passionately follow other idols – be it the god of horsepower, the god of tanning, or FC Bayern.

And… I can’t find anything necessarily negative about sentimentality; oh, if only we had more of it nowadays, alongside all these successful self-optimizers and achievers. I like sentimental homebuilders –

Even if you describe at length that the original poster is practically a house tyrant who has everyone under their thumb, I don’t see anywhere that a guest room was excluded “by the boss’s decision.” And honestly, I find that a bit tiresome to read because a) it’s simply an interpretation that is then b) elaborated on at great length. At that point, the original poster can no longer derive any benefit from it. I’m ending the discussion here for myself.

Exactly... that’s why everyone does it the way they want, and since I have plenty of time, I also enjoy writing at length... as I wish – by the way, as far as I know, there is no obligation to read or comment!

By the way, we all interpret supposed facts to a large extent in an online forum and often repeat wisdom that might not necessarily withstand an objective, neutral review; you just as much as I and others!

If I couldn’t sometimes write with a wink in my free time here and enjoy the same in return, then where else?

So, considered settled.