Hello everyone,
I am hoping for some good ideas regarding the floor plan for the ground floor of a city villa we are planning to build.
Background: Originally, we wanted an L-shaped living/dining area with a kitchen arranged so that the kitchen would not be visible from the living space. This worked well as long as only a guest bathroom and utility room were located on the ground floor next to the living/dining area. Unfortunately, this made the upper floor very cramped, so the guest bedroom had to be moved to the ground floor.
Now, the living area and kitchen are more corridor-like (or a short L shape), and we have planned a double sliding door to the kitchen. When the kitchen gets messy, the door can simply be closed. Based on a rough kitchen layout, the double sliding door has been recessed as far as possible toward the kitchen so that you don’t bump into the dining table on the way in. The kitchen measures 415 cm x 275 cm (13.6 ft x 9 ft).
After much back and forth, we think we have found quite a good compromise, but we miss having a seating option in the kitchen. Only the dining table in the living room is available for seating. The positioning of the windows still needs to be adjusted, and the window above the TV unit will probably just be omitted.
In principle, all walls can still be moved, but the technical room must remain on this side of the house due to utility connections. South is at the bottom of the plan. The (existing furniture) in the living room has been added to the builder’s floor plan to scale, although not very nicely by me. We don’t want to buy everything new anyway.
Now to my question:
Do you have any other good suggestions on how the living/dining/kitchen area could be arranged, with the condition that we want to avoid a fully open kitchen?
Additional question:
Does it make sense to separate part of the technical room as a pantry, accessible only from that room? Originally, there was supposed to be a door leading to the kitchen, but that no longer seemed practical to us. I am uncertain about the room temperature and how much additional storage space this might provide.
I am hoping for some good ideas regarding the floor plan for the ground floor of a city villa we are planning to build.
Background: Originally, we wanted an L-shaped living/dining area with a kitchen arranged so that the kitchen would not be visible from the living space. This worked well as long as only a guest bathroom and utility room were located on the ground floor next to the living/dining area. Unfortunately, this made the upper floor very cramped, so the guest bedroom had to be moved to the ground floor.
Now, the living area and kitchen are more corridor-like (or a short L shape), and we have planned a double sliding door to the kitchen. When the kitchen gets messy, the door can simply be closed. Based on a rough kitchen layout, the double sliding door has been recessed as far as possible toward the kitchen so that you don’t bump into the dining table on the way in. The kitchen measures 415 cm x 275 cm (13.6 ft x 9 ft).
After much back and forth, we think we have found quite a good compromise, but we miss having a seating option in the kitchen. Only the dining table in the living room is available for seating. The positioning of the windows still needs to be adjusted, and the window above the TV unit will probably just be omitted.
In principle, all walls can still be moved, but the technical room must remain on this side of the house due to utility connections. South is at the bottom of the plan. The (existing furniture) in the living room has been added to the builder’s floor plan to scale, although not very nicely by me. We don’t want to buy everything new anyway.
Now to my question:
Do you have any other good suggestions on how the living/dining/kitchen area could be arranged, with the condition that we want to avoid a fully open kitchen?
Additional question:
Does it make sense to separate part of the technical room as a pantry, accessible only from that room? Originally, there was supposed to be a door leading to the kitchen, but that no longer seemed practical to us. I am uncertain about the room temperature and how much additional storage space this might provide.
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Aphrodithe30 Jul 2020 10:35evelinoz schrieb:
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The patio door needs to be moved further to the right side, preferably opening outwards. The worktop is deeper than usual, 70cm (28 inches).
The red line indicates the room width; the planner can only display 9m (30 feet).OMG, nobody really does this anymore in new builds. It feels like something from the 1960s!B
Bertram10030 Jul 2020 10:48Half of Sweden opens the doors outward. I often find this more practical. Whether you do it "that way" might be one reason, but hopefully not the most important factor for or against something.
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pagoni202030 Jul 2020 11:15AllThumbs schrieb:
2 x 60 is already quite large. For a side-by-side fridge, I would go with French doors – fridge on top, freezer at the bottom. Large is nice, isn’t it? I don’t like overcrowded cabinets or confusing refrigerators. Of course, it depends on personal habits; we also like to keep frozen vegetables, fish, fruit, and much more at home. For example, I had a Liebherr side-by-side fridge with a full fridge compartment and freezer on each side, just for myself, and I loved it. It also looked very sleek, like a piece of furniture standing alone against the wall. A sales advisor in an electronics store once told me to put a frozen pizza into the freezer compartment of a 90cm (35 inch) side-by-side fridge. She showed me, and it became clear that those drawers are just a gimmick (for me!) because I don’t like rummaging through piles of bags either. So each person should find their own preference.
AllThumbs schrieb:
We were thinking again last night, and I’m trying to sketch something open using my blocks. I always find that the most helpful, with each square representing 10cm (4 inches), that’s how the boy learns best... at least that’s what my better half says.
AllThumbs schrieb:
with the hated door – well, then the kitchen would be huge. Ah, so the door was successfully removed! If the kitchen were huge, it could then provide space for other areas, so that would be a gain after all.
AllThumbs schrieb:
Thanks, I hadn’t really seen it that way so far, but I will discuss it with my wife. I don’t see it as a problem either, and I would definitely rely on my own habits. At the time, I had the large side-by-side fridge in the dining room and “had” to walk 4–5m (13–16 feet) to it each time. I don’t remember that bothering anyone. Even now, the fridge is a bit set apart, because it should have a nice place like a piece of furniture. As long as there is a counter, island, or worktop nearby, that’s absolutely enough in my opinion. For example, I don’t like built-in refrigerators but only free-standing ones that look nice.
AllThumbs schrieb:
We live 150km (93 miles) from the family. That’s too far for a spontaneous afternoon visit, but close enough to visit regularly on weekends. Our child is currently under 1 year old, and since then we have missed having a proper guest room in our current apartment.
Also, we will no longer live directly in the city, and friends might stay over more often. Conclusion: we wouldn’t want to do without it. I can completely understand that, as my family and friends live about 500km (310 miles) away, and my wife’s family is just nearby. I want my guests to feel comfortable, so I value having a proper guest room, but without having to keep an empty room just for that purpose. My guests would then have their own room and could use their own shower/toilet during their stay.
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pagoni202030 Jul 2020 11:21That’s right, I currently have visitors from Sweden and know this is common throughout Scandinavia; there, it is more usual for doors and windows to open outward. In general, the quality standards in house construction are different, and the expectations are lower.
Here, it would be unusual and likely met with resistance because, as a German, that’s just not how it’s done.
However, a downside is that most shading options become problematic. In Scandinavia, this is often addressed in a more rustic manner. I wouldn’t have it installed this way in my house either, as it doesn’t match my habits, even though it would certainly be possible.
Here, it would be unusual and likely met with resistance because, as a German, that’s just not how it’s done.
However, a downside is that most shading options become problematic. In Scandinavia, this is often addressed in a more rustic manner. I wouldn’t have it installed this way in my house either, as it doesn’t match my habits, even though it would certainly be possible.
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