Hello everyone,
I am hoping for some good ideas regarding the floor plan for the ground floor of a city villa we are planning to build.
Background: Originally, we wanted an L-shaped living/dining area with a kitchen arranged so that the kitchen would not be visible from the living space. This worked well as long as only a guest bathroom and utility room were located on the ground floor next to the living/dining area. Unfortunately, this made the upper floor very cramped, so the guest bedroom had to be moved to the ground floor.
Now, the living area and kitchen are more corridor-like (or a short L shape), and we have planned a double sliding door to the kitchen. When the kitchen gets messy, the door can simply be closed. Based on a rough kitchen layout, the double sliding door has been recessed as far as possible toward the kitchen so that you don’t bump into the dining table on the way in. The kitchen measures 415 cm x 275 cm (13.6 ft x 9 ft).
After much back and forth, we think we have found quite a good compromise, but we miss having a seating option in the kitchen. Only the dining table in the living room is available for seating. The positioning of the windows still needs to be adjusted, and the window above the TV unit will probably just be omitted.
In principle, all walls can still be moved, but the technical room must remain on this side of the house due to utility connections. South is at the bottom of the plan. The (existing furniture) in the living room has been added to the builder’s floor plan to scale, although not very nicely by me. We don’t want to buy everything new anyway.
Now to my question:
Do you have any other good suggestions on how the living/dining/kitchen area could be arranged, with the condition that we want to avoid a fully open kitchen?
Additional question:
Does it make sense to separate part of the technical room as a pantry, accessible only from that room? Originally, there was supposed to be a door leading to the kitchen, but that no longer seemed practical to us. I am uncertain about the room temperature and how much additional storage space this might provide.
I am hoping for some good ideas regarding the floor plan for the ground floor of a city villa we are planning to build.
Background: Originally, we wanted an L-shaped living/dining area with a kitchen arranged so that the kitchen would not be visible from the living space. This worked well as long as only a guest bathroom and utility room were located on the ground floor next to the living/dining area. Unfortunately, this made the upper floor very cramped, so the guest bedroom had to be moved to the ground floor.
Now, the living area and kitchen are more corridor-like (or a short L shape), and we have planned a double sliding door to the kitchen. When the kitchen gets messy, the door can simply be closed. Based on a rough kitchen layout, the double sliding door has been recessed as far as possible toward the kitchen so that you don’t bump into the dining table on the way in. The kitchen measures 415 cm x 275 cm (13.6 ft x 9 ft).
After much back and forth, we think we have found quite a good compromise, but we miss having a seating option in the kitchen. Only the dining table in the living room is available for seating. The positioning of the windows still needs to be adjusted, and the window above the TV unit will probably just be omitted.
In principle, all walls can still be moved, but the technical room must remain on this side of the house due to utility connections. South is at the bottom of the plan. The (existing furniture) in the living room has been added to the builder’s floor plan to scale, although not very nicely by me. We don’t want to buy everything new anyway.
Now to my question:
Do you have any other good suggestions on how the living/dining/kitchen area could be arranged, with the condition that we want to avoid a fully open kitchen?
Additional question:
Does it make sense to separate part of the technical room as a pantry, accessible only from that room? Originally, there was supposed to be a door leading to the kitchen, but that no longer seemed practical to us. I am uncertain about the room temperature and how much additional storage space this might provide.
A side-by-side refrigerator requires more space and would also open in the wrong direction in that spot.
A kitchen island does not fit because the room is not wide enough, and the sliding door is in the wrong place. Placing it in the center is also generally not ideal. But I just noticed the room is only 275cm (108 inches) wide, so an island is not desired.
The kitchen has the dimensions of a typical terraced house kitchen, so I would suggest a two-row layout.
The TV is very far from the sofa.
A kitchen island does not fit because the room is not wide enough, and the sliding door is in the wrong place. Placing it in the center is also generally not ideal. But I just noticed the room is only 275cm (108 inches) wide, so an island is not desired.
The kitchen has the dimensions of a typical terraced house kitchen, so I would suggest a two-row layout.
The TV is very far from the sofa.
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Ideensucher30 Jul 2020 03:41AllThumbs schrieb:
We initially gave the planner a target area of about 150 square meters (1,615 square feet). Due to the land prices, there is hardly any room to increase the budget. I’ve also heard “25,000 euros for the guest room.”
ypg’s question is very valid: How often do guests come and for how many nights?
If it’s only “sporadically over the weekend, so a maximum of 2 nights,” wouldn’t a pull-out sofa in the office suffice? If needed, you could even take 1 square meter (about 11 square feet) from the child’s bedroom and make the office a bit larger. Alternatively, store a mattress or inflatable guest bed in the storage room and bring it to the office when guests arrive.
Another option: convert your current guest room on the lower floor into a storage room, allowing you to shift the living room wall by about 2 meters (6.5 feet), which would block the direct view of the kitchen.
Upstairs, you would then need to make some adjustments. You could reduce your guest room from 5.25 square meters (57 square feet) to a 2 by 3 meter (6.5 by 10 feet) room (dimensions after plastering). This size can fit a bed with a 180 cm (71 inch) mattress width and still leave space beside the door for a small shelf for suitcases and towels. Or you could rethink the layout upstairs entirely.
As I understand it, when guests visit, for example, both children sleep in one bedroom and the guests in another. Alternatively, the guests might stay in the same room as the children or sleep on the living room sofa. Of course, it depends somewhat on how “official” the guests are. But usually, at home, you only accommodate family, right?
In this case, it’s not yet clear whether another bedroom will be needed. Then the room on the ground floor would already have a dual function.
In this case, it’s not yet clear whether another bedroom will be needed. Then the room on the ground floor would already have a dual function.
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AllThumbs30 Jul 2020 10:27pagoni2020 schrieb:
You’ll probably be installing a nice kitchen, so I think it would be a shame to block that up.We were thinking about it again last night, and I’m trying to sketch something open with my little boxes.pagoni2020 schrieb:
I understand wanting a side-by-side fridge, but in my opinion it should be 2x 60cm (2x 24 inches) wide, or you should check out the usually tiny freezer section of the 90cm (36 inch) ones;2 x 60cm (2 x 24 inches) is already quite large. For a side-by-side fridge, I would go with a French door style – fridge on top, freezer below.pagoni2020 schrieb:
The upper floor looks somewhat carelessly drawn or just placed there.In terms of room sizes, it exactly fits our requirements. I still want to try moving the bathroom door towards the bedroom because the full-height window in the gallery faces the street, and possibly reconsider the sanitary fixtures.Pinky0301 schrieb:
Why do you think the kitchen on the left side of the house needs to be designed differently? From what I can see, the rooms on either side of the hallway are exactly the same size (except for the little nook with the sofa)? Only the table would need to be moved slightly towards the hallway entrance. What are the cardinal directions and where is the terrace planned?If I consider your suggestion about the pantry, then yes, the spaces are almost equal. But the pantry isn’t that important to us. If I just swapped the sides — including that door we hate — the kitchen would be huge. But I’ll try again with a (semi-)open concept. The terrace is planned facing south, so at the bottom.ypg schrieb:
Also, take a look at the parallel thread, it is better executed.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/neubau-efh-ca-180-m-4-personen-ohne-keller-rlp-kfw-55.35970/#post-422803I already checked that thread, but at 180m² (1937 sq ft) I have very different possibilities. That’s 20% more area. I’m trying to incorporate the points from the pinned thread. I was hoping that moving just two walls on the ground floor would be enough.ypg schrieb:
That has the worst storage spot: do you carry everything you take out (like for dinner) out individually, put it down three meters (10 feet) away, and do that ten times?Thanks, I hadn’t really thought about it that strictly, but I will discuss it with my wife.ypg schrieb:
TV unit: in front of a patio door? Obviously, that’s not practical at all.The windows still need to be adjusted. The furniture was placed differently then, same for the kitchen (which used to be wider) and the window near the side-by-side fridge.ypg schrieb:
In the bathroom, I would swap the bathtub and the washbasins.To avoid bathing directly in front of the door, I assume? Makes sense. Or is there another reason for that suggestion?ypg schrieb:
And how many guests per year are we talking about for you to want to throw the whole layout out the window?Ideensucher schrieb:
You also say, "I have 25,000 euros for the guest room." ypg’s question is exactly right: How often do guests come and for how many nights?We live 150km (93 miles) away from family. That’s too far for a quick afternoon visit but close enough to visit regularly over a weekend. Our child is currently less than one year old, and since then a proper guest room has been missing in our current apartment. Also, we won’t be living directly in town anymore, and friends might stay overnight more often. Bottom line: We don’t want to give that up.evelinoz schrieb:
A side-by-side fridge needs more space and would open the wrong way there.Why wrong way?evelinoz schrieb:
No island fits in the kitchen — the room isn’t wide enough and the sliding door is in the wrong place. Having it in the middle is always tricky. But I see the room is just 275cm (108 inches) wide, so no island wanted anyway.Exactly, we don’t necessarily need an island and want to avoid a fully open kitchen. The sliding door was placed in the middle to maximize the opening with two leaves. We actually liked the idea of the wide door, but I can see it isn’t very popular. We’ll try to adjust it a bit again this evening.Ideensucher schrieb:
If necessary, take 1m² (11 sq ft) from the child’s room and make the office a bit bigger. Or store a mattress / air bed in the storage room and set it up in the office when guests come.That was something we considered as well. But if there is a second child, we’d be short one room.Ideensucher schrieb:
Also possible: turn the guest room downstairs into your storage room — then you could move the living room wall by 2m (6.5 feet) and wouldn’t have a direct view into the kitchen. You’d have to shift things upstairs a bit. Turn your guest room into a 2x3m (6.5x10 feet) room (measured after plastering). That fits a bed with 180cm (71 inch) mattress width and next to the door would be space for a small shelf for luggage and towels. Or rethink the layout upstairs again.We’ve thought about that with a potential second child. I would then move my office into the guest room, but 6m² (65 sq ft) is quite small. We’ll reconsider both options when we put our heads together again tonight.Pinky0301 schrieb:
I know it works like this: when guests come, for example, both kids share a bedroom and the guests get the other one. Or the guests stay with the kids. Or on the living room sofa. Of course, it depends on how “official” the guests are. But usually, at home you only host family, right? Though it’s not clear yet whether you need another kids’ room. Then the ground floor room would have a dual function.We usually got sent to the living room sofa at friends’ places — back when we didn’t have kids yet.A
Alessandro30 Jul 2020 10:34Here is something different from the typical suburban villa design.
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