Hello everyone,
I am hoping for some good ideas regarding the floor plan for the ground floor of a city villa we are planning to build.
Background: Originally, we wanted an L-shaped living/dining area with a kitchen arranged so that the kitchen would not be visible from the living space. This worked well as long as only a guest bathroom and utility room were located on the ground floor next to the living/dining area. Unfortunately, this made the upper floor very cramped, so the guest bedroom had to be moved to the ground floor.
Now, the living area and kitchen are more corridor-like (or a short L shape), and we have planned a double sliding door to the kitchen. When the kitchen gets messy, the door can simply be closed. Based on a rough kitchen layout, the double sliding door has been recessed as far as possible toward the kitchen so that you don’t bump into the dining table on the way in. The kitchen measures 415 cm x 275 cm (13.6 ft x 9 ft).
After much back and forth, we think we have found quite a good compromise, but we miss having a seating option in the kitchen. Only the dining table in the living room is available for seating. The positioning of the windows still needs to be adjusted, and the window above the TV unit will probably just be omitted.
In principle, all walls can still be moved, but the technical room must remain on this side of the house due to utility connections. South is at the bottom of the plan. The (existing furniture) in the living room has been added to the builder’s floor plan to scale, although not very nicely by me. We don’t want to buy everything new anyway.
Now to my question:
Do you have any other good suggestions on how the living/dining/kitchen area could be arranged, with the condition that we want to avoid a fully open kitchen?
Additional question:
Does it make sense to separate part of the technical room as a pantry, accessible only from that room? Originally, there was supposed to be a door leading to the kitchen, but that no longer seemed practical to us. I am uncertain about the room temperature and how much additional storage space this might provide.
I am hoping for some good ideas regarding the floor plan for the ground floor of a city villa we are planning to build.
Background: Originally, we wanted an L-shaped living/dining area with a kitchen arranged so that the kitchen would not be visible from the living space. This worked well as long as only a guest bathroom and utility room were located on the ground floor next to the living/dining area. Unfortunately, this made the upper floor very cramped, so the guest bedroom had to be moved to the ground floor.
Now, the living area and kitchen are more corridor-like (or a short L shape), and we have planned a double sliding door to the kitchen. When the kitchen gets messy, the door can simply be closed. Based on a rough kitchen layout, the double sliding door has been recessed as far as possible toward the kitchen so that you don’t bump into the dining table on the way in. The kitchen measures 415 cm x 275 cm (13.6 ft x 9 ft).
After much back and forth, we think we have found quite a good compromise, but we miss having a seating option in the kitchen. Only the dining table in the living room is available for seating. The positioning of the windows still needs to be adjusted, and the window above the TV unit will probably just be omitted.
In principle, all walls can still be moved, but the technical room must remain on this side of the house due to utility connections. South is at the bottom of the plan. The (existing furniture) in the living room has been added to the builder’s floor plan to scale, although not very nicely by me. We don’t want to buy everything new anyway.
Now to my question:
Do you have any other good suggestions on how the living/dining/kitchen area could be arranged, with the condition that we want to avoid a fully open kitchen?
Additional question:
Does it make sense to separate part of the technical room as a pantry, accessible only from that room? Originally, there was supposed to be a door leading to the kitchen, but that no longer seemed practical to us. I am uncertain about the room temperature and how much additional storage space this might provide.
AllThumbs schrieb:
it is the warmest side and therefore possibly less suitable for the kitchen.I have never heard this argument before and don’t really understand it. Why do you think the kitchen would need to be designed differently in the left part of the house? From what I can see, the rooms on both sides of the hallway are exactly the same size (except for the small corner with the sofa). Only the table would need to be moved slightly closer to the hallway entrance.
What are the cardinal directions and where is the terrace planned?
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Aphrodithe29 Jul 2020 19:58Definitely swap the sofa and the kitchen. A beautiful tall cabinet wall and a nice large cooking/cleaning island! Definitely avoid a useless side-by-side refrigerator; instead, integrate separate fridge and freezer units into the tall cabinet wall!
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hampshire29 Jul 2020 22:15AllThumbs schrieb:
Theoretically, we could also adjust the exterior walls, but I’m not sure how that would affect the price. We initially gave the planner a target area of about 150 sqm (1,615 sq ft). Due to the land costs, there is very little room to increase the budget.It’s quite simple. A square floor plan reduces the cost per square meter since fewer exterior walls are required for the same area. In times when everyone seems to focus on price per square meter, this design becomes attractive to builders. With a smart rectangular layout, you can sometimes achieve better living quality in fewer square meters. This should balance out the overall costs, even if the price per square meter rises by a few hundred.H
hampshire29 Jul 2020 22:17Aphrodithe schrieb:
Definitely avoid a useless side-by-side refrigerator; instead, integrate a separate fridge and freezer into the tall cabinet wall!We love our side-by-side refrigerator with an ice crusher for Caipirinhas. That’s why it is placed near the patio door in the entrance area. There is also a built-in refrigerator in the kitchen.First, you should fill out the questionnaire regarding the floor plan discussion.
Also, take a look at the parallel thread; it is better structured.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/neubau-efh-ca-180-m-4-personen-ohne-keller-rlp-kfw-55.35970/#post-422803
I know that argument; it comes from the time long ago when people would work up a sweat in the kitchen, kneading dough by hand, constantly preserving food, boiling laundry, and working hard — back then, they preferred a “cooler” room. Nowadays, people enjoy cooking independently, even at sunset, and being able to quickly mix a drink on the terrace.
Who cleans up? And when? You can train for it: cook, and afterwards it’s still nicely tidy.
That has the worst location: do you take everything out individually (for example, for dinner), place it three meters (10 feet) away, and do that ten times? Or do you have a trolley for that? Next to or directly opposite the fridge, you need a surface for food preparation. Also, all those doors to the storage room, three in total leading to the kitchen, will be exhausting.
A TV shelf in front of a terrace door? It’s obviously not practical at all.
In the bathroom, I would swap the bathtub and the washbasins.
And how many guests per year are we talking about that the entire planning is turned upside down?
Also, take a look at the parallel thread; it is better structured.
https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/neubau-efh-ca-180-m-4-personen-ohne-keller-rlp-kfw-55.35970/#post-422803
AllThumbs schrieb:
The planner also mentioned that this would be the warmest side and possibly less suitable for the kitchen.
I know that argument; it comes from the time long ago when people would work up a sweat in the kitchen, kneading dough by hand, constantly preserving food, boiling laundry, and working hard — back then, they preferred a “cooler” room. Nowadays, people enjoy cooking independently, even at sunset, and being able to quickly mix a drink on the terrace.
AllThumbs schrieb:
… but she doesn’t want to see the mess after cooking herself.
Who cleans up? And when? You can train for it: cook, and afterwards it’s still nicely tidy.
AllThumbs schrieb:
A side-by-side refrigerator is my preference.
That has the worst location: do you take everything out individually (for example, for dinner), place it three meters (10 feet) away, and do that ten times? Or do you have a trolley for that? Next to or directly opposite the fridge, you need a surface for food preparation. Also, all those doors to the storage room, three in total leading to the kitchen, will be exhausting.
A TV shelf in front of a terrace door? It’s obviously not practical at all.
In the bathroom, I would swap the bathtub and the washbasins.
And how many guests per year are we talking about that the entire planning is turned upside down?
hampshire schrieb:
The classic issue with square floor plans that have a lot of interior space. People build cost-optimized based on the square meters, but then don’t really know how to use the interior areas. In the living area, the dining table will always dominate—no matter how you look at it. The suggestion above is acceptable if you want this floor plan with a closed kitchen. Everything I can imagine just increases costs (as expected). Very well described, but almost every house looks like this, and you can’t really do anything with it. I recently told my brother that I don’t need to go into any “city villa” because they all look the same inside. You can’t make anything different out of a square block, or the kitchen space either.
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