ᐅ Site development timing: Before building road construction or after debris removal?
Created on: 23 Jul 2020 06:59
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Spike86
Good morning
Last week, we submitted the building permit application (as an expedited process, since there is no zoning plan). Now we are considering whether it makes sense or is even possible to connect the utilities before starting construction. The problem is that we have a flag lot, and the driveway runs to the back through the neighbor’s property. Once the construction road is set up, access to the utilities will be blocked, and we would only be able to connect them after construction is completed and the construction road is removed... wouldn’t that be too late? Isn’t a water connection needed beforehand so the plumbing contractor can test the toilet flushing? We are a bit unsure about this. Another issue is that the neighbor’s house is very close to the driveway and has a full basement. Therefore, part of the construction road would need to be reinforced. Do you have any tips on how to do this or if it is necessary? A friend once recommended these mats that distribute the weight. With these, an 11-ton (12 US ton) excavator (loaded up to 16 tons / 17.6 US tons) was able to pass without causing any damage.
It’s early in the morning, so I hope this is clear enough. If not, please ask, and I will try to explain it better.
Best regards and thanks in advance!
Last week, we submitted the building permit application (as an expedited process, since there is no zoning plan). Now we are considering whether it makes sense or is even possible to connect the utilities before starting construction. The problem is that we have a flag lot, and the driveway runs to the back through the neighbor’s property. Once the construction road is set up, access to the utilities will be blocked, and we would only be able to connect them after construction is completed and the construction road is removed... wouldn’t that be too late? Isn’t a water connection needed beforehand so the plumbing contractor can test the toilet flushing? We are a bit unsure about this. Another issue is that the neighbor’s house is very close to the driveway and has a full basement. Therefore, part of the construction road would need to be reinforced. Do you have any tips on how to do this or if it is necessary? A friend once recommended these mats that distribute the weight. With these, an 11-ton (12 US ton) excavator (loaded up to 16 tons / 17.6 US tons) was able to pass without causing any damage.
It’s early in the morning, so I hope this is clear enough. If not, please ask, and I will try to explain it better.
Best regards and thanks in advance!
So, a construction road can also be dug up and then closed again. Of course, this costs a bit more, but here with us, for example, the municipal utilities refused to install anything into the house before the roof, windows, and doors were installed. This was probably related to the connection itself, but as a result, the construction road was dug up multiple times (because the neighbors were also connected at different times) and replaced with a permanent one less than two years later.
Oh, of course, that's correct. Electricity and telecommunications providers in Berlin also prefer to connect only to a fully enclosed building. However, everything can be prepared in advance. Either with empty conduits and pull cords installed or, as I plan, with an external column connection / transfer shaft (though this is not possible with telecommunications) and then the rest inside the electrical room.
It depends on the utility provider what is allowed.
It depends on the utility provider what is allowed.
I have never looked at it from this perspective. In what way is it no longer up to date? For us, these are purely practical (cost-related) considerations based on the property layout, divided into front and back. The idea that something might no longer be up to date never occurred to me.
Well, in the past, electricity and telephone connections were typically installed outside. In fact, you can still order this from the telecom provider today and even save the connection fees (nearly 800 EUR). However, the telecom company lists the following reasons for installing the connection inside the building:
Personally, I wouldn’t prioritize saving such a small amount when building, but that’s a decision everyone has to make for themselves.
- Protection against damage and tampering
- Easier connection to the internal wiring and equipotential bonding
- No impact on the building’s thermal insulation
- Preservation of the house facade’s appearance
- Avoidance of drilling above ground level (above the terrain surface)
Personally, I wouldn’t prioritize saving such a small amount when building, but that’s a decision everyone has to make for themselves.
Ok, but so far you have only considered the telecommunications.
For electricity and water in Berlin, there is an additional cost of about 50 EUR per meter that still needs to be dug. For me, due to threshold values, that amounts to approximately 1,000 to 2,000 EUR for the neighbor behind.
And then there is the issue of repeatedly having to dig up the construction street... That would be avoided.
Overall, we are talking about several thousand euros here.
We can also better utilize the electrical synergy. Otherwise, digging up would be necessary for each party as well. This way, the lines to the houses are laid once, and the connections at the boundary to the street can be scheduled independently.
For electricity and water in Berlin, there is an additional cost of about 50 EUR per meter that still needs to be dug. For me, due to threshold values, that amounts to approximately 1,000 to 2,000 EUR for the neighbor behind.
And then there is the issue of repeatedly having to dig up the construction street... That would be avoided.
Overall, we are talking about several thousand euros here.
We can also better utilize the electrical synergy. Otherwise, digging up would be necessary for each party as well. This way, the lines to the houses are laid once, and the connections at the boundary to the street can be scheduled independently.
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