ᐅ Single-family house, 2,370 sq ft, with a basement on a 7,530 sq ft plot of land
Created on: 8 Jul 2020 21:17
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EFH2020
Hello everyone,
We have a 750 m² (8,073 sq ft) plot where we plan to build approximately 220 m² (2,368 sq ft) plus a basement and garages.
After initial discussions with builders, we find the following floor plan quite good, as it reflects our desired room sizes on both the ground floor and upper floor.
Ground Floor:
Two main questions still concern us:
1) Should the kitchen/dining area be on the left, or should the living room be located there instead?
The recessed kitchen on the left works well for natural light and especially because otherwise, we can't properly fit the staircase. Having the living room on the left would be nice since there is sun there until about 9:30 pm in summer, while the right side is in the shade by 6:30 pm. It’s a matter of preference when and where you want sunlight, but we’d be interested in your opinions.
2) Where should the staircase be placed, and how can we avoid losing much space on the upper floor?
So far, we have only found one solution. We prefer a 180-degree staircase; a 90-degree staircase would also work, ideally with a landing, as we want to avoid angled stair treads.
Other notes:
The plan lacks a pantry. We initially considered placing it in the passageway from the garage to the hallway, but there isn’t enough space for that. So the pantry will now go into the basement. Additionally, the hallway doesn’t have a particularly large cloakroom, so we are considering taking some space from the kitchen/guest room. The guest bathroom on the ground floor could be a bit larger.
Upper Floor:
We need the space upstairs for two children’s bedrooms, a study, two bathrooms, a master suite, and a utility room. With the current staircase placement and some restrictions regarding the master dressing room and bathroom, everything fits well, and we like the room sizes and their layouts.
Basement:
Yes, we need a “white tank” (watertight concrete basement). We want it for storage and technical equipment, which cannot be accommodated upstairs. Other rooms like a home gym are nice to have but not essential. Nevertheless, we want the basement for possible resale value and flexibility. Due to costs, we plan to only partially finish the basement. So the basement layout is less important for now.
We would very much appreciate hearing your thoughts on our ideas, what you like, and especially what you find problematic in the floor plan.
Many thanks in advance!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 750 m² (8,073 sq ft)
Flat terrain
Floor area ratio - no development plan
Plot ratio - no development plan
Building envelope: 12 x 15 m (39 x 49 ft), we plan to build about 12 x 12 m (39 x 39 ft)
Setbacks: 3 meters (10 ft) on all sides
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 1-2 full stories
Roof type: Pitched roof preferred, flat gable roof also acceptable (preliminary building approval planned)
Style:
Orientation: Garden faces southwest
Maximum height/restrictions: approx. 8 meters (26 ft) (survey pending)
Other requirements
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type - no bay windows or balconies, pitched roof
Basement: yes
Number of occupants, age - 2 adults and 2 small children
Space requirements on ground/upper floors: like the rooms shown in the plan
Office use: family use or home office? Both work about 50% from home
Annual overnight guests: regularly guest stays with children
Open or closed layout: closed upstairs, open downstairs
Conservative or modern style: undecided
Open kitchen, kitchen island - kitchen island with 2 seats
Dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes (no coal)
House Design
Who created the design:
- Planner from a construction company, modified by us
What do we like? Room sizes
What do we dislike? Master area – dressing room and bathroom are cramped. Is the hallway with the staircase practical? Kitchen on the left side is practical regarding light, but the living room won’t have sun after 7 pm in summer? Possibly rearrange the sofa in the living room for the TV
Estimated price according to architect/planner: €700,000 including basement, garages, and additional construction costs (excluding land)
Personal budget limit for house including fittings: €750,000 (€50,000 for kitchen, landscaping)
Preferred heating system: Ground-source heat pump with cooling option
Why is the design as it is?
Upstairs we need the space for 2 children’s bedrooms, a study, two bathrooms, and a utility room.
We have a 750 m² (8,073 sq ft) plot where we plan to build approximately 220 m² (2,368 sq ft) plus a basement and garages.
After initial discussions with builders, we find the following floor plan quite good, as it reflects our desired room sizes on both the ground floor and upper floor.
Ground Floor:
Two main questions still concern us:
1) Should the kitchen/dining area be on the left, or should the living room be located there instead?
The recessed kitchen on the left works well for natural light and especially because otherwise, we can't properly fit the staircase. Having the living room on the left would be nice since there is sun there until about 9:30 pm in summer, while the right side is in the shade by 6:30 pm. It’s a matter of preference when and where you want sunlight, but we’d be interested in your opinions.
2) Where should the staircase be placed, and how can we avoid losing much space on the upper floor?
So far, we have only found one solution. We prefer a 180-degree staircase; a 90-degree staircase would also work, ideally with a landing, as we want to avoid angled stair treads.
Other notes:
The plan lacks a pantry. We initially considered placing it in the passageway from the garage to the hallway, but there isn’t enough space for that. So the pantry will now go into the basement. Additionally, the hallway doesn’t have a particularly large cloakroom, so we are considering taking some space from the kitchen/guest room. The guest bathroom on the ground floor could be a bit larger.
Upper Floor:
We need the space upstairs for two children’s bedrooms, a study, two bathrooms, a master suite, and a utility room. With the current staircase placement and some restrictions regarding the master dressing room and bathroom, everything fits well, and we like the room sizes and their layouts.
Basement:
Yes, we need a “white tank” (watertight concrete basement). We want it for storage and technical equipment, which cannot be accommodated upstairs. Other rooms like a home gym are nice to have but not essential. Nevertheless, we want the basement for possible resale value and flexibility. Due to costs, we plan to only partially finish the basement. So the basement layout is less important for now.
We would very much appreciate hearing your thoughts on our ideas, what you like, and especially what you find problematic in the floor plan.
Many thanks in advance!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 750 m² (8,073 sq ft)
Flat terrain
Floor area ratio - no development plan
Plot ratio - no development plan
Building envelope: 12 x 15 m (39 x 49 ft), we plan to build about 12 x 12 m (39 x 39 ft)
Setbacks: 3 meters (10 ft) on all sides
Number of parking spaces: 2
Number of floors: 1-2 full stories
Roof type: Pitched roof preferred, flat gable roof also acceptable (preliminary building approval planned)
Style:
Orientation: Garden faces southwest
Maximum height/restrictions: approx. 8 meters (26 ft) (survey pending)
Other requirements
Client Requirements
Style, roof type, building type - no bay windows or balconies, pitched roof
Basement: yes
Number of occupants, age - 2 adults and 2 small children
Space requirements on ground/upper floors: like the rooms shown in the plan
Office use: family use or home office? Both work about 50% from home
Annual overnight guests: regularly guest stays with children
Open or closed layout: closed upstairs, open downstairs
Conservative or modern style: undecided
Open kitchen, kitchen island - kitchen island with 2 seats
Dining seats: 6
Fireplace: yes (no coal)
House Design
Who created the design:
- Planner from a construction company, modified by us
What do we like? Room sizes
What do we dislike? Master area – dressing room and bathroom are cramped. Is the hallway with the staircase practical? Kitchen on the left side is practical regarding light, but the living room won’t have sun after 7 pm in summer? Possibly rearrange the sofa in the living room for the TV
Estimated price according to architect/planner: €700,000 including basement, garages, and additional construction costs (excluding land)
Personal budget limit for house including fittings: €750,000 (€50,000 for kitchen, landscaping)
Preferred heating system: Ground-source heat pump with cooling option
Why is the design as it is?
Upstairs we need the space for 2 children’s bedrooms, a study, two bathrooms, and a utility room.
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pagoni20209 Jul 2020 20:07EFH2020 schrieb:
Well, statistics can be deceptive.It’s simply a matter of current information. You and I can’t steal a car anymore, whereas in the past it was possible with just two wires and a screwdriver. Nowadays, it requires a laptop, specific software types, specialized knowledge, and electronic components; this doesn’t mean it never happens, but it’s almost always very targeted and limited to certain vehicle models and orders. I don’t want to sound like a know-it-all, but I am quite well informed about this! However, your car is not safe from damage, frost, animal bites (e.g., martens), etc., so there’s really no argument against having a garage. A home burglary is something completely different; it’s easier today than before due to more windows, fewer cluttered windowsills, and various other factors.
EFH2020 schrieb:
In my opinion, the door to the kitchen makes sense; otherwise, all the odors spread throughout the house and even to the upper floor. I have heard that many times and had agreed to it myself once due to the smell of fried fish... but then that hardly ever happened anyway.
Right now, I realize I misunderstood again. You want to protect the staircase from odors… got it. With a proper range hood, that should be manageable. If the odors were really that bad, the dining room and living room would be constantly and directly affected. I could understand this separation better, but I wouldn’t like it.
The idea of having access at the back was just a thought because I’ve often found myself stuck for days as the wheelbarrow driver, with my arms nearly giving out (also related to firewood, sandbox, planters, and soil, etc.).
pagoni2020 schrieb:
You and I can’t steal a car, not like it used to be with just two wires and a screwdriver. Nowadays, you need a laptop, specific software for the car model, specialized knowledge, and electronic parts; that doesn’t mean it’s impossible, but nowadays it’s mostly done very deliberately and depends on car types and orders. I don’t want to sound like a know-it-all, but I actually know this quite well! Uh no, exactly—and I mean really exactly—the opposite is true. Any impoverished fool today can steal a car, in fact (with very few exceptions) virtually any car! Just borrow a small OBD tool, plug it in, and drive away. This has absolutely nothing to do with specialization. I know what you mean, but that conclusion is wrong. We have seen hundreds of these cases here, and not a single trained engineer was involved—almost exclusively drugged school dropouts with long-term damage from substance abuse.
That’s enough off-topic, and definitely PRO GARAGE! I hate martens.
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pagoni20209 Jul 2020 21:45Fuchur schrieb:
Uh no, exactly—and I mean exactly—the opposite is true. Any impoverished idiot today can steal a car, and with very few exceptions, any car! Just borrow a small OBD tool, plug it in, and drive off. This has absolutely nothing to do with specialization. I get what you mean, but your conclusion is wrong. We catch these guys by the hundreds, but not a single trained engineer among them—mostly just heavily drugged school dropouts with long-term drug damage.
So much for off-topic, and clearly PRO GARAGE! I hate martens. We probably won’t get anywhere with this, and it doesn’t really matter. If we ever meet in this life or the next, I’ll explain it to you—and why I know it. It was about the number of car thefts... a bit of Googling and, voilà... anyone can find this result, namely the extremely steep downward curve. By the way... a similarly sharp decline can be seen in bank robberies—unless I’m wrong there too?
Nobody mentioned engineers, by the way—that would actually be a distraction. Being smart in school doesn’t necessarily translate the same way out on the street.
So... my bet to @Fuchur:
I claim that car thefts in Germany are dropping dramatically.
I’ll pay for a case of champagne if I lose—and I’m happy to raise the stakes or make a nice donation to charity instead.
Oh, I’m already getting thirsty...
Meanwhile, I enjoy watching every random person driving off in modern cars just like that... sorry, what nonsense.
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pagoni20209 Jul 2020 22:50Fuchur schrieb:
No need to bet or Google it I didn’t have to, I just knew. Such a shame about the champagne, a bit of construction chat by the campfire.......
Fuchur schrieb:
I’m the one who compiles these statistics That’s what I thought; exactly the same here.
Car theft numbers have dropped almost unnoticed by the public since 1994 by about 85%, from 105,000 to only 15,000 in 2018.
However, our personal sense of security has become much more sensitive, unfortunately so has the severity and criminal intent of the offenders—even though the number of cases has decreased so significantly. THAT has completely changed, which is not necessarily good news.
Oh yes, the garage... somehow it seems nice, but would it be more efficient and cost-effective to go with a double garage? Electricity, possibly water, lighting, belongings… everything installed twice, where one setup would otherwise suffice, including various accessories. Personally, the look would probably seem too car-focused to me, and especially the already mentioned lack of access to the property for pending and recurring tasks, firewood, plants, etc., would be something I would miss.
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