ᐅ Controlled ventilation system in a bungalow: Is it necessary to lower the ceiling?

Created on: 5 Jul 2019 18:51
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Reluctance
Hello everyone,

We are currently finalizing the building permit / planning permission application for our construction project (a bungalow with 135 sqm (1453 sq ft)). We would like to have a ventilation system installed in our bungalow. In this context, our general contractor (GC) recently approached us and said that the ceiling would need to be lowered to install the ventilation system. This means we would have to increase the room height, and this must be taken into account in the building permit / planning application.

There are several issues with this whole process:
  • The GC’s subcontractor installs only Zewotherm systems; the cost estimate is 18,000 euros. On top of that, there would be additional costs for increasing the room height. From what I read here, in other forums, and hear from acquaintances, the cost for a ventilation system (e.g., Zehnder or Vaillant) including installation is more around 12k. (We originally thought we would have to build a one-and-a-half-story house; in that case, the Zewotherm system was even offered to us for 23k.)
  • We do not want a Zewotherm system but prefer Zehnder (Vaillant would also be possible) – so now we have to find a suitable contractor ourselves who installs Zehnder systems.
  • We don’t understand why the ceiling must be lowered to install a ventilation system in a bungalow. Has anyone had experience with this? Is it always necessary to lower the ceiling? What if the system is installed in the floor? Would the floor then need to be raised? I’m afraid our GC simply doesn’t really know much about ventilation systems... but maybe I’m wrong.

So: Has anyone installed a ventilation system in a bungalow without lowering the ceiling?
Tolentino9 Jul 2020 10:57
Funny enough, I just had my appointment with the heating/plumbing specialist and we talked about a previously unplanned mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery. Besides the cost for the ventilation system itself, he estimated additional planning and construction costs for thickening the precast concrete ceiling and modifying the upper floor ceiling. I didn’t ask further during the appointment because the exact extra cost will come from the general contractor anyway. But he estimated total additional costs of around 18,000 EUR.

Is that really the only option? Do the ducts for the ground floor have to be embedded in the precast concrete ceiling? Is it not possible to lower the ceiling? Does lowering it actually save any costs?

He didn’t mention anything about routing under the floor...

Best regards

Tolentino
Mycraft9 Jul 2020 12:03
Tolentino schrieb:

So, do the pipes for the ground floor have to be installed within the precast hollow core slab?
No, it is also possible to install them on the structural slab, inside the walls, or using boxed soffits or suspended ceilings.

Whether this is more cost-effective depends on the specific calculations and cannot be generalized, as pricing varies between contractors.
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lesmue79
10 Aug 2020 08:51
In our KfW55 bungalow with a cold roof, the ventilation ducts are completely integrated into the ground floor ceiling, basically between the Fermacell boards, insulation, and battens, and the mechanical ventilation unit is mounted below the ceiling. I wouldn’t want it any other way; as a result, all the ventilation outlets are in the ceiling, so we don’t have any grilles in the floor. Additionally, having the unit in the ceiling freed up wall space in the utility room. But of course, all this is a matter of personal preference.
K1300S10 Aug 2020 09:17
I would also prefer ventilation valves in the ceiling, but I would avoid routing the pipes *inside* a concrete ceiling (a wooden ceiling is a different matter) unless absolutely necessary. Flat ducts on the bare ceiling (essentially within the insulation) work just fine.
Nida35a10 Aug 2020 09:31
The minimum ceiling height for living spaces is 2.50 m (8 ft 2 in) in Berlin and 2.30 m (7 ft 7 in) in Brandenburg.
When a construction company offers a standard, it is often 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in).
With controlled residential ventilation and higher floors or suspended ceilings, the entire floor height must be increased to meet the 2.5 m (8 ft 2 in) minimum ceiling height. This often leads to additional costs from the construction company for the increased volume and drywall work.
Why do people build bunker-like ventilation systems in bungalows, using calculated values based on windows being closed 24 hours a day, 365 days a year?
Living in a bungalow with a terrace, garden, natural light, and fresh outdoor air is exactly what people are looking for.

I fear that in the coming years, people will have airlocks for residents and only fixed glazing instead of patio doors to meet calculated maximum values,
resulting in houses with no windows and only screens for the next 20 years… where will this lead?
Best regards, Nida
Mycraft10 Aug 2020 10:09
A mechanical ventilation system with heat recovery in a bungalow significantly increases comfort. You can still open the windows and doors, but even when they are closed, the air remains fresh.

This has nothing to do with a bunker. It is more comparable to an office building, restaurant, or similar.

But yes, those who have it do not want to give it up, and those who do not have it do not miss it and do not understand the other side either.

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