ᐅ Handleless kitchen fronts, good quality and affordable – which manufacturer?
Created on: 2 Mar 2020 17:21
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PeterHawaii
Hello everyone,
we are currently looking into the kitchen for our newly built single-family home. After the first visits to suppliers (2 large chains and 1 small studio), the general conclusion is: a frustrating black box with no price transparency – the estimates were often well above the stated budget, and none of the appointments included a written quote to prevent easy comparison.
My question is: which provider/manufacturer would you consider for the following requirements:
Kitchen layout: G-shaped kitchen, no wall cabinets
Design: handleless kitchen
Kitchen length: just under 11m (36 feet), all base cabinets except for 2 tall cabinets for fridge-freezer combo and oven + microwave
Worktop height: 90cm (35 inches)
Worktop: integrated into window frame, replacing the windowsill. Option 1: laminate, thickness approx. 25mm (1 inch). Option 2: engineered stone, thickness approx. 25mm (1 inch).
Front price category: PG 3 or PG 4, real matte lacquer
Splashback: matte glass
Target price would be under €6,500 (including sink and faucet combined about €400 online) and laminate worktop, without appliances, including delivery and installation (kitchen and externally sourced appliances), so roughly €600 (about $660) per meter.
Current quote for electrical appliances: €5,180 gross including delivery to curbside.
Do you think this is achievable, or do we need to lower our requirements (fronts price group / appliances) to stay under €12,000? At Ikea, we would be around €3,500 plus assembly without appliances, but their selection of handleless fronts does not suit us.
Thank you very much for your advice.
we are currently looking into the kitchen for our newly built single-family home. After the first visits to suppliers (2 large chains and 1 small studio), the general conclusion is: a frustrating black box with no price transparency – the estimates were often well above the stated budget, and none of the appointments included a written quote to prevent easy comparison.
My question is: which provider/manufacturer would you consider for the following requirements:
Kitchen layout: G-shaped kitchen, no wall cabinets
Design: handleless kitchen
Kitchen length: just under 11m (36 feet), all base cabinets except for 2 tall cabinets for fridge-freezer combo and oven + microwave
Worktop height: 90cm (35 inches)
Worktop: integrated into window frame, replacing the windowsill. Option 1: laminate, thickness approx. 25mm (1 inch). Option 2: engineered stone, thickness approx. 25mm (1 inch).
Front price category: PG 3 or PG 4, real matte lacquer
Splashback: matte glass
Target price would be under €6,500 (including sink and faucet combined about €400 online) and laminate worktop, without appliances, including delivery and installation (kitchen and externally sourced appliances), so roughly €600 (about $660) per meter.
Current quote for electrical appliances: €5,180 gross including delivery to curbside.
Do you think this is achievable, or do we need to lower our requirements (fronts price group / appliances) to stay under €12,000? At Ikea, we would be around €3,500 plus assembly without appliances, but their selection of handleless fronts does not suit us.
Thank you very much for your advice.
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pagoni202017 Jun 2020 14:14@
I already dread the moment a kitchen salesperson at a furniture store or some kitchen studios faces me without presenting a clear pricing structure. Unfortunately, this is still the case in the majority of the furniture and kitchen market. But... as in most areas of life, there is no absolute right or wrong.
ypg schrieb:@ypg Apparently, your memories are less positive; for me, it’s the opposite with various kitchen manufacturers in stylish showrooms and catchy slogans. There, theory and reality often differed, including in terms of quality. So, everyone has to weigh it up for themselves. I like that I can hold and examine each part beforehand, get a great price with good quality, and have the option to change or return something if it turns out differently on site. Of course, that doesn’t mean there are no delivery issues or other difficulties elsewhere; it’s just usually different problems.
I went to Ikea six times for our kitchen unit in the utility room because ordering wasn’t possible and the doors in that color were often in stock. The same applied to the handles. The internet was misleading too, claiming they still had 22 handles in stock and so on. I think that’s the downside.
I already dread the moment a kitchen salesperson at a furniture store or some kitchen studios faces me without presenting a clear pricing structure. Unfortunately, this is still the case in the majority of the furniture and kitchen market. But... as in most areas of life, there is no absolute right or wrong.
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Bertram10017 Jun 2020 15:00Whether you can take the items with you immediately is unfortunately not that easy to answer. It depends on the furniture store. Depending on their storage capacity, they may only have basic or frequently purchased items in stock, or they might have more.
I don’t know anyone who hasn’t had to go back to the store at least once because something was forgotten or incorrectly planned. That’s the price of planning and doing it yourself.
In Poland, you will definitely get the carcasses and the VOXTORP fronts and drawers. I would be surprised if they don’t have these in stock. The drawer and the side panels are the most expensive parts. If you buy those in Poland, you will save a lot. The carcasses are really not expensive, so the difference won’t be that big.
I don’t know anyone who hasn’t had to go back to the store at least once because something was forgotten or incorrectly planned. That’s the price of planning and doing it yourself.
In Poland, you will definitely get the carcasses and the VOXTORP fronts and drawers. I would be surprised if they don’t have these in stock. The drawer and the side panels are the most expensive parts. If you buy those in Poland, you will save a lot. The carcasses are really not expensive, so the difference won’t be that big.
pagoni2020 schrieb:
It’s exactly as @Bertram100 described. The only thing that can drive up the original price are the fronts. We have Ringhult (white high-gloss lacquer) with the approximately 8cm (3 inches) thick countertop also in white with a wide aluminum edge in front...
Here are 2 pictures from the old apartment (unfortunately, it could only be set up as a simple line arrangement back then), now we have expanded it with an island, etc., basically as a modular kitchen (I currently don’t have a recent picture of that). All cabinets are simply hung on a wall rail. Thank you very much for the pictures and especially for the details about the appliances you bought outside of IKEA. Our new build is just starting now, and we still have well over a year until we move in, but the kitchen planning has begun.
Your kitchen color choice matches our vision. If I have understood the product description correctly, the Ringhult front cannot be used handleless, right? We were actually considering the Voxtorp front (matte white) as a handleless option. Your choice could also work for us and would be cheaper, too:
- Veddinge front (40x80cm (16x31 inches)): €14 plus Billsboro (€13) handle added makes a total of €27
- Voxtorp front (40x80cm (16x31 inches)): currently on sale for €47 instead of €58
This price difference applies across all sizes. I’ll calculate that right away with the IKEA kitchen planner. Otherwise, I can recommend the IKEA kitchen planner; you get the hang of it quickly.
Do you have issues with fingerprints on the fronts, and how easy are they to maintain? We plan to visit IKEA during the week soon and see the Veddinge front in person.
You are probably still referring to the old Faktum kitchens. Nowadays, every manufacturer has a rebranded Ikea appliance.
Siemens, Miele, etc. But you can tell from the price as well—was the budget here only up to 6,000 euros (about 6,600 dollars)?
The same applies to the grid system; there are 4 and even 5.
For planning, I used the Microsoft Edge browser, as Chrome was more prone to freezing.
Also, Bauhaus already offers worktops with a depth of 63cm (25 inches).
Siemens, Miele, etc. But you can tell from the price as well—was the budget here only up to 6,000 euros (about 6,600 dollars)?
The same applies to the grid system; there are 4 and even 5.
For planning, I used the Microsoft Edge browser, as Chrome was more prone to freezing.
Also, Bauhaus already offers worktops with a depth of 63cm (25 inches).
bazinga schrieb:
We could also consider your option, and it would be cheaper as well:
- Veddinge front (40cm x 80cm (16in x 32in)): €14.00 plus Billsboro handle (€13) makes a total of €27
- Voxtorp front (40cm x 80cm (16in x 32in)): currently on sale for €47 instead of €58
This price difference applies across all sizes. I will calculate this right away using the IKEA kitchen planner. Update: It’s about €1,500 less just by changing the fronts—from VOXTORP to Veddinge combined with Billsboro handles (also in white).
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Anmacatili17 Jun 2020 17:08We just visited IKEA and looked at everything. We actually like the Voxtorp fronts best, even though they are more expensive.
I was just trying out the planner but still can’t get it to work well, and then it froze. Now I can’t log back in or access my design anymore, no idea why. I’ll try again this evening.
Is it possible to plan "dead corners" with IKEA, or do you have to buy these corner units specifically?
Also, in some views of tall cabinets, I was shown only one door instead of two, which looked very strange. Maybe they were not available, or it was a bug in the planner on my end. I’ll keep you updated.
I was just trying out the planner but still can’t get it to work well, and then it froze. Now I can’t log back in or access my design anymore, no idea why. I’ll try again this evening.
Is it possible to plan "dead corners" with IKEA, or do you have to buy these corner units specifically?
Also, in some views of tall cabinets, I was shown only one door instead of two, which looked very strange. Maybe they were not available, or it was a bug in the planner on my end. I’ll keep you updated.
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