ᐅ 8 trees on the property located between the power lines and telephone cables.
Created on: 2 Jun 2020 12:59
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Andreas_79
Hello everyone
We have, or are about to, purchase a plot of land where a few trees are still standing. These are spruces, unfortunately located close to the power line that runs across the property, as well as near the telephone cable that also crosses the land.
So, it will probably be necessary to carry out hazard tree removal. Or is it possible to ask the power company and the telecom provider if they can temporarily disconnect the lines for a certain period to allow the trees to be cut down? Then the neighbor’s house would have to manage without electricity for an hour or two... :-(
I think that could be cheaper than handling the removal of eight trees as hazard trees, right?
This is the middle plot, and although I’m not happy about the cables crossing the property, it’s a small village and all houses are connected like this to power and telephone lines :-(
Best regards
Andreas
We have, or are about to, purchase a plot of land where a few trees are still standing. These are spruces, unfortunately located close to the power line that runs across the property, as well as near the telephone cable that also crosses the land.
So, it will probably be necessary to carry out hazard tree removal. Or is it possible to ask the power company and the telecom provider if they can temporarily disconnect the lines for a certain period to allow the trees to be cut down? Then the neighbor’s house would have to manage without electricity for an hour or two... :-(
I think that could be cheaper than handling the removal of eight trees as hazard trees, right?
This is the middle plot, and although I’m not happy about the cables crossing the property, it’s a small village and all houses are connected like this to power and telephone lines :-(
Best regards
Andreas
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Andreas_792 Jun 2020 15:07It doesn’t seem that simple after all...
1. The power lines look unsightly on the property, and it would be preferable to have them removed.
2. Cutting down the trees won’t be possible without hazardous tree removal because of the power lines, which will definitely be expensive due to the large number of trees. The fire department was a good suggestion—I’ll try that if nothing else works—but ideally, the lines should be removed.
Our preference is, of course, to have a property without any power lines. The lines are not registered in the land registry; I just checked that again.
What I’ve learned from Google is that there is a ruling by the Federal Court of Justice (BGH) that the lines must be tolerated if you are a customer receiving power from them. However, we won’t be building for at least two years, so we won’t be customers yet...
Oh, this is not starting off well... The notary appointment is in the next few days, and here I already have the first problem :-(
The worst-case scenario would be having to remove the lines at my own expense, which I don’t want because that is certainly not cheap. The best case would be if the electricity provider removes them upon my request, which seems rather unlikely.
So, legal protection insurance and consulting a lawyer about their recommendation is probably the next step. I don’t want to bother the neighbors yet since we haven’t signed anything, but that would be the second step. However, I doubt anyone would be happy if I knocked on their door and said, “Hello, I’m the new owner, those cables over there have to go and you have to pay for it.”
I think the best option is to consult a specialist lawyer and get their opinion on the matter. Ideally, the electricity provider would be responsible for the removal.
Regards,
Andreas
1. The power lines look unsightly on the property, and it would be preferable to have them removed.
2. Cutting down the trees won’t be possible without hazardous tree removal because of the power lines, which will definitely be expensive due to the large number of trees. The fire department was a good suggestion—I’ll try that if nothing else works—but ideally, the lines should be removed.
Our preference is, of course, to have a property without any power lines. The lines are not registered in the land registry; I just checked that again.
What I’ve learned from Google is that there is a ruling by the Federal Court of Justice (BGH) that the lines must be tolerated if you are a customer receiving power from them. However, we won’t be building for at least two years, so we won’t be customers yet...
Oh, this is not starting off well... The notary appointment is in the next few days, and here I already have the first problem :-(
The worst-case scenario would be having to remove the lines at my own expense, which I don’t want because that is certainly not cheap. The best case would be if the electricity provider removes them upon my request, which seems rather unlikely.
So, legal protection insurance and consulting a lawyer about their recommendation is probably the next step. I don’t want to bother the neighbors yet since we haven’t signed anything, but that would be the second step. However, I doubt anyone would be happy if I knocked on their door and said, “Hello, I’m the new owner, those cables over there have to go and you have to pay for it.”
I think the best option is to consult a specialist lawyer and get their opinion on the matter. Ideally, the electricity provider would be responsible for the removal.
Regards,
Andreas
Well, even though the trees on the north side don’t provide much shade, they are all located clearly outside the actual building area, so everything is easy.
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Andreas_79 schrieb:
What Google has just taught me is that there is a ruling from the Federal Court of Justice (BGH) stating that you have to tolerate the cable if you are yourself a user of it. However, we will not be building for at least two years, so we are not yet users... Wait a moment, if the cables are removed from there, then poles will probably be installed on both the left and right sides, and the neighbors will have their own connections. So, where will your connection be?
Will you then lay the cable across the neighbor’s property in two years? That will certainly make them twice as happy.
Can you mark on the plan where the next two poles will be located?
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T_im_Norden2 Jun 2020 17:15I'll ask again, has it already been confirmed whether you are allowed to fell trees at all?
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Andreas_792 Jun 2020 18:15Yes, we are allowed to cut the trees starting in October, according to the official’s wife. At the moment, cutting is prohibited due to nature protection or breeding season, so it is only permitted from about October to March.
I didn’t work carefully on the first drawing, so here is a new version that reflects the situation accurately. The trees are naturally unsightly because they are really large and dense, blocking the view beyond.
Currently, the utility poles are located on a neighboring property, not on ours, but the cables run completely across to us. If I assume that eventually a house will be built at the height of the two houses to the left and right of us, then every day from our terrace I would be looking at four cables plus the cables going to our house :-(
In theory, the telecom or the power company could still install a pole in the upper left and connect them. That way the line would come down to us. How we would later access it would have to be looked at, but if the pole was in the left corner of our property, then the cable could be run up to our house—along the boundary rather than across the yard—so it wouldn’t be so much in the way, that’s what I thought...
Maybe I’m oversimplifying all this... I have a meeting with a lawyer on Friday to clarify what is possible without causing trouble for the neighbor.
Regards,
Andreas
I didn’t work carefully on the first drawing, so here is a new version that reflects the situation accurately. The trees are naturally unsightly because they are really large and dense, blocking the view beyond.
Currently, the utility poles are located on a neighboring property, not on ours, but the cables run completely across to us. If I assume that eventually a house will be built at the height of the two houses to the left and right of us, then every day from our terrace I would be looking at four cables plus the cables going to our house :-(
In theory, the telecom or the power company could still install a pole in the upper left and connect them. That way the line would come down to us. How we would later access it would have to be looked at, but if the pole was in the left corner of our property, then the cable could be run up to our house—along the boundary rather than across the yard—so it wouldn’t be so much in the way, that’s what I thought...
Maybe I’m oversimplifying all this... I have a meeting with a lawyer on Friday to clarify what is possible without causing trouble for the neighbor.
Regards,
Andreas
I don’t fully understand the drawing. Is the red part the utility pole? Where are the next poles located?
If nothing is registered or recorded, first call the electricity PROVIDER—not the supplier.
At least in our area, a solution is usually arranged very quickly.
Has the property always been as it is now, or did it originally belong to the house on the left and was later divided?
It’s usually not a big issue.
That is not correct, at least in Hamburg. Usually, you don’t have to worry about any costs regarding a connection, unless you are building new.
You can renovate even the biggest house, and the panel from 1950 is about to fail because of all the technical equipment and electric car, etc. The provider comes, notices the poor condition, and will install a new one because of safety reasons. There are plenty of electricians who don’t point this out.
If nothing is registered or recorded, first call the electricity PROVIDER—not the supplier.
At least in our area, a solution is usually arranged very quickly.
Has the property always been as it is now, or did it originally belong to the house on the left and was later divided?
It’s usually not a big issue.
Lumpi_LE schrieb:
Yes, but possibly the neighbors have to cover the costs. You have to be cautious about this if you don’t want to damage the good neighbor relationship early on.
That is not correct, at least in Hamburg. Usually, you don’t have to worry about any costs regarding a connection, unless you are building new.
You can renovate even the biggest house, and the panel from 1950 is about to fail because of all the technical equipment and electric car, etc. The provider comes, notices the poor condition, and will install a new one because of safety reasons. There are plenty of electricians who don’t point this out.
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