ᐅ Paving stones in garage are sinking under the weight of a car (thermal insulation issue)
Created on: 16 May 2020 11:44
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Hausbesitzer08
Hello community,
I have the following problem: Our paved garage has a basement underneath, which is why there is a bitumen layer under the paving stones and insulation below that. Please don’t judge—using paving stones was not our decision. We bought the house as-is, and unfortunately, the builder no longer exists.
Now, the paving stones are sinking so much under the weight of the car that the bitumen membrane underneath is at risk of developing cracks. We suspect that the insulation material used was too soft.
One option would be to remove everything, replace the insulation with something more “stable,” and/or remove the paving stones and instead pour a monolithic reinforced concrete slab. For understandable reasons, I’d prefer not to do this…
Is it conceivable to place some kind of reinforcement within the gravel/sand base under the paving stones? Something like a grass reinforcement grid, for example. This way, the car’s weight might be distributed better, right? Then the entire substructure could remain untouched, and above all, I could handle it myself. Of course, I realize this is not a proper “standard solution.” I just want it to hold. What are the risks with such a setup? Would such reinforcement ultimately also push through the bitumen membrane?
Thank you very much for your opinion and any ideas.
Elias
I have the following problem: Our paved garage has a basement underneath, which is why there is a bitumen layer under the paving stones and insulation below that. Please don’t judge—using paving stones was not our decision. We bought the house as-is, and unfortunately, the builder no longer exists.
Now, the paving stones are sinking so much under the weight of the car that the bitumen membrane underneath is at risk of developing cracks. We suspect that the insulation material used was too soft.
One option would be to remove everything, replace the insulation with something more “stable,” and/or remove the paving stones and instead pour a monolithic reinforced concrete slab. For understandable reasons, I’d prefer not to do this…
Is it conceivable to place some kind of reinforcement within the gravel/sand base under the paving stones? Something like a grass reinforcement grid, for example. This way, the car’s weight might be distributed better, right? Then the entire substructure could remain untouched, and above all, I could handle it myself. Of course, I realize this is not a proper “standard solution.” I just want it to hold. What are the risks with such a setup? Would such reinforcement ultimately also push through the bitumen membrane?
Thank you very much for your opinion and any ideas.
Elias
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Hausbesitzer0816 May 2020 23:24tomtom79 schrieb:
I would remove the insulation completely. I wouldn’t be surprised if the saltwater has damaged the insulation.Yes, the insulation bothers me too, but it is sealed with bitumen sheets.Hausbesitzer08 schrieb:
but it is sealed with bitumen sheets.Hello hausbesitzer08
Styrofoam insulation with bitumen sheets welded on as a barrier. For a garage? That could work for a terrace. But 2 tons concentrated on four tires—that won’t hold up. Anything except a complete rebuild won’t be satisfactory.
I would fully dismantle it. The ceiling to the basement should be properly sealed. Then install suitable Styrofoam insulation, waterproofing, and a concrete slab. That will work.
Steven
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Hausbesitzer0818 May 2020 12:00Hi Steven,
Hi Steven,
or paving stones in a garage? Also rather impractical. But at this house, I’m no longer surprised by anything... :/
Thanks for your assessment. I’ll probably have to bite the bullet.
Best regards
Elias
Steven schrieb:
Polystyrene insulation and then bitumen membranes welded on as a barrier. For a garage?
Hi Steven,
or paving stones in a garage? Also rather impractical. But at this house, I’m no longer surprised by anything... :/
Thanks for your assessment. I’ll probably have to bite the bullet.
Best regards
Elias
tomtom79 schrieb:
I would completely leave out the insulation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the saltwater damaged the insulation.I would be surprised by that, because EPS is not affected by saltwater at all. Most likely, the wrong compressive strength was chosen here, and the weight of the cars creates too much point load.
You don’t simply remove insulation either. In the described basement, that would likely cause condensation on the ceiling with corresponding potential damage. So, this is not good advice.
I would rather consider dismantling, installing XPS insulation, waterproofing, and distributing the load with a screed, panels, or something similar.
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Hausbesitzer0818 May 2020 12:17The note about condensation is a good tip, thanks. Now I have something to base my planning on.
Thanks guckuck2
Thanks guckuck2
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