ᐅ Renovation of guest toilet (1.65 sqm) and bathroom (4.88 sqm)

Created on: 18 Apr 2020 16:58
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dankon7gookoel
Hello everyone, this is my first post in this great forum. Until now, we (two adults, a 1-year-old, and a 3-year-old) have always rented a place with 80 sqm (860 sq ft). Now we have bought a 4-room apartment of 85 sqm (915 sq ft), built in the 1960s, on the right bank of the Rhine in Cologne.

So far, very little has been done in the apartment and it has just been gutted. We need new vinyl flooring with baseboards, completely new electrical installation with RCD (residual current device) and Cat7 cabling, new bathrooms (very small, which I believe is typical for the building period), new tiles, and also new plaster and wallpaper, and so on... We will keep the IKEA kitchen, which will only get a new tile backsplash.

The biggest “construction project” is the bathroom: I’ll share our plans and thoughts here. I hope you’ll join in and comment.

The first plumber we spoke to only wanted to sell us items from his stock of sanitary components (is that the right term?), and that came to about 10,000 euros without the soil pipes. But all the parts were from the company Sanibel and some looked really bad — especially the toilet. The price markups here were about 3/4 to 1.5 times.

We now have a different plumber who confirmed he would also help us, for example by ordering stock items directly from Megabad. Here are the two projects: guest WC

Renovation of the guest WC (1.22m x 1.36m = 1.65 sqm / 4 ft x 4.5 ft = 17.7 sq ft)

  • Possible instant water heater? (This requires a high-power electrical connection, which is expensive and probably unnecessary, according to my partner... I’m unsure if it would improve usability and the resale value of the apartment in case we find a better place or a house.)
  • Small washbasin, preferably with a vanity cabinet (round or rectangular, depending on which fits better in the space — e.g., Godmorgon from Ikea? versus Geberit Icon with something underneath or wall-mounted)
  • Toilet, preferably a wall-hung close-coupled toilet with concealed cistern (Geberit or similar, flush plates like Sigma 01, which we have in our current rented apartment)
  • Possibly a small towel radiator, 45 cm wide, less than 1 m high, if it fits
  • Omit wall tiles? But then the area around the recessed in-wall cistern might look odd, probably

2D floor plan with hallway and bathroom, measurements 1.31 m x 1.20 m


And this is what it currently looks like:

Small WC with peeling yellow wall paint, washbasin and toilet, exposed pipes.


For the small bathroom, there’s also the idea of moving the door to open outward towards the front door. This wouldn’t cause much disturbance and would mean we wouldn’t have to consider the door swing inside the bathroom. The question is whether this would gain us significantly more space to plan differently or if it wouldn’t make much of a difference. The bathroom is very small anyway; here is the current status.

Bathroom renovation (by shifting the wall: 3.05m x 1.6m = 4.88 sqm / 10 ft x 5.25 ft = 52.5 sq ft)

  • Instant water heater
  • Large shower bath (about 1.70m x 75 cm) (5 ft 7 in x 30 in) with splash guard wall versus a large bathtub with later add-ons... I’m unclear if shower baths are really worth the extra cost.
  • Large washbasin (Geberit Icon, Ideal Standard, or similar)
  • Long, wide towel radiator next to the door (75 cm x at least 112 cm) (30 in x 44 in)
  • Tile backsplash 1.20 m (4 ft) or slightly higher around the bathtub

Bathroom floor plan with bathtub, washbasin and toilet in 2D layout


And this is how it looks now:

Renovation area with radiator, open wall and exposed masonry.


Interior under construction with open wall, loose bricks and hanging light fixture.


Unplastered bathroom wall with bricks, plaster remnants, cables and sanitary pipes.


What do you think of our plans? Where should I give this more thought? Do you have a similar city apartment and have planned similar renovations? (Honestly, I don’t even know where to start; as I said, we are renovating EVERYTHING except the windows and other common property. The bathroom and the tiles are currently the most urgent. I thought I’d post here.)

I’d be happy to hear your opinions and suggestions. Although it’s only 5 sqm (54 sq ft) and 1.5 sqm (16 sq ft), we want to use it for four people. Do you have ideas for good fittings?

Oh, and including renewal of the apartment’s plumbing parts, we don’t want to spend more than 20,000 euros (plumbing installation / tiles / screed replacement in the bathroom / pipe renewal in the building)… that should be doable, right? I’m a rookie and hope I can start a discussion here about our plans and everything related to this.
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dankon7gookoel
21 Apr 2020 14:18
Scout schrieb:

Basically, I agree with you. But here we are talking about children (one and three years old). In that case, a bathtub definitely makes a lot of sense.

Yes, that’s true. As I said, having a bathtub is also a way to pass time reasonably well, especially during times like the COVID-19 pandemic. (Putting sustainability criteria aside, of course, we do waste potable water with it.)

I think we should simply keep the bathtub positioned across the room in the top corner as planned. Adding a shower function is a good idea, and we would possibly accept this compromise by installing a good (!) partition mounted on the bathtub.

What would we gain from a sliding door? I also believe a bathtub is simply easier to handle and offers more freedom with the floor space, whereas a classic 90 × 90 cm (35 × 35 inches) shower cubicle is much more likely to cause moisture issues in the bathroom. Meanwhile, we also have a quote from a tiler who wants to install the bathtub crosswise up top as well.
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Scout
21 Apr 2020 14:48
dankon7gookoel schrieb:



what would we gain by the sliding door? I also believe a bathtub is simply easier to handle and offers more flexibility with the floor, while a classic 90 × 90 cm (35 × 35 inches) shower is much more likely to cause moisture problems in the bathroom. meanwhile, we also have an offer from a tiler who plans to install the bathtub horizontally across the top and wants to straighten it.

You would also use the space at the bottom of the plan from #9, specifically for the basin and newly: the toilet. Then, at the top of the plan, you would have enough room for a large corner bathtub, a bath/shower combo, or a small bathtub plus a separate shower.

Could you please add the existing water supply and drainage connections to a dimensioned sketch?
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dankon7gookoel
21 Apr 2020 19:35
Scout schrieb:

You could also use the space at the bottom of the plan from #9, specifically for a bathtub and, newly, the toilet. Then at the top of the plan, you would have enough room for a spacious corner bathtub, a bathtub/shower combination, or a small bathtub plus a separate shower.

Could you maybe add the existing water supply and drainage connections to a scaled sketch?

Regarding the water supply and drainage connections: I will do that soon. Thanks.
We also agreed to keep the toilet in the guest bathroom, so there is only one 1.4 sqm (15 sq ft) area with odors. However, this area will have hot water and heating. That should be sufficient.
Best regards, Daniel
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dankon7gookoel
24 Apr 2020 10:46
dankon7gookoel schrieb:

Regarding the water supply and drainage connections: I’ll take care of that later. Thanks.


Here is the floor plan again with dimensions and water connections.

In the family bathroom, the water connection is located 1.95 m (6 ft 5 in) from the bottom.

Floor plan of a bathroom with bathtub, washbasin, and water connection indication.


In the guest bathroom, the water connection is almost centered. It would need to be moved if the toilet is to be placed closer to the door.

Floor plan of a room with a blue area and a sign ‘Water connection’ next to the door.


OT / Off-topic: Yesterday I called Reuter and Megabad. It currently takes about one and a half to two weeks for in-stock items to arrive.
We are considering asking our plumber after the sampling appointment, but honestly, I don’t want to. It just doesn’t feel modern, and if I am investing €20,000, I want to be the one deciding what gets installed. Damn Corona, it’s making everything more complicated.

@all: Does anyone know the Werkprofi portal? It apparently only includes tradespeople who have no problem selling Reuter products and/or advising on them. (Two plumbers agreed to this but offered zero advice… very disappointing. They had no idea about the “traditional” practices common among service providers in this trade.) I offered them a rough hourly billing model in euros per hour as an estimate. Then we could look at in-stock products together, and I would get advice, which would be paid hourly. I’m still waiting a day or two for a callback. I already sent the shopping cart, and then I’ll have to look for another company again…