ᐅ Single-family home with a secondary apartment, currently for 2 adults, children planned
Created on: 2 Apr 2020 14:35
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AndreaT
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 665 sqm (7151 sq ft), the plot is flat
Slope: Adjacent to the plot, a forested slope begins to the south
No development plan. Local customary building allows 3 full floors and any roof style.
Number of parking spaces: 3
Number of floors: 2 full floors or 1 full floor plus an attic with a high knee wall
Roof type: preferably gable roof
Style: not a townhouse, not a timber house. Rather classic than modern
Orientation: The long sides of the house face north and south, the garden is on the south side
Client Requirements
Basement, floors: With a raised basement for building services, storage space, sauna, hobby/workshop
Number of people, ages: 2 adults, 32 + 37, children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor: I want to be able to live completely on the ground floor (barrier-free) in old age. A granny flat on the upper floor
Open or closed architecture: rather open
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open kitchen preferred; kitchen island is optional
Number of dining seats: 6–8
Fireplace: yes
Garage, carport: 1 garage on the left side of the house, 1 double carport on the right side (border building)
Utility garden, greenhouse: yes
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are wanted or not wanted:
I work in shifts and sometimes need to sleep during the day. Therefore, a second bedroom/retreat on the upper floor is required.
The granny flat should have the option to be connected to the rest of the house (knock-through).
House Design
Planning by:
- Do-it-yourself
What do you like most? Why? All important rooms on the ground floor so that barrier-free living is possible in old age. Children will have their own floor later.
The bathroom on the ground floor is planned to be barrier-free, with a walk-in shower.
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 300,000
Preferred heating technology: Geothermal heat pump or pellet heating with Stirling engine, possibly photovoltaic and/or solar thermal (consultation appointment pending)
If you had to give up, which details / additions could you do without:
- The upper floor (as a separate apartment) can be developed later
Why did the design become what it is now?
A mix of many examples from various magazines with the goal of having everything on one level and giving the children their own floor later.
A granny flat would be desirable.
The stairs to the basement are missing. Inside the basement stairs should be underneath the stairs to the upper floor; also outside the basement stairs should be underneath the stairs to the upper floor.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Does this make sense? What have I forgotten? What would you do differently? Does the granny flat concept work like this?
Plot size: 665 sqm (7151 sq ft), the plot is flat
Slope: Adjacent to the plot, a forested slope begins to the south
No development plan. Local customary building allows 3 full floors and any roof style.
Number of parking spaces: 3
Number of floors: 2 full floors or 1 full floor plus an attic with a high knee wall
Roof type: preferably gable roof
Style: not a townhouse, not a timber house. Rather classic than modern
Orientation: The long sides of the house face north and south, the garden is on the south side
Client Requirements
Basement, floors: With a raised basement for building services, storage space, sauna, hobby/workshop
Number of people, ages: 2 adults, 32 + 37, children planned
Space requirements on ground floor and upper floor: I want to be able to live completely on the ground floor (barrier-free) in old age. A granny flat on the upper floor
Open or closed architecture: rather open
Conservative or modern construction: conservative
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Open kitchen preferred; kitchen island is optional
Number of dining seats: 6–8
Fireplace: yes
Garage, carport: 1 garage on the left side of the house, 1 double carport on the right side (border building)
Utility garden, greenhouse: yes
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are wanted or not wanted:
I work in shifts and sometimes need to sleep during the day. Therefore, a second bedroom/retreat on the upper floor is required.
The granny flat should have the option to be connected to the rest of the house (knock-through).
House Design
Planning by:
- Do-it-yourself
What do you like most? Why? All important rooms on the ground floor so that barrier-free living is possible in old age. Children will have their own floor later.
The bathroom on the ground floor is planned to be barrier-free, with a walk-in shower.
Personal price limit for the house, including equipment: 300,000
Preferred heating technology: Geothermal heat pump or pellet heating with Stirling engine, possibly photovoltaic and/or solar thermal (consultation appointment pending)
If you had to give up, which details / additions could you do without:
- The upper floor (as a separate apartment) can be developed later
Why did the design become what it is now?
A mix of many examples from various magazines with the goal of having everything on one level and giving the children their own floor later.
A granny flat would be desirable.
The stairs to the basement are missing. Inside the basement stairs should be underneath the stairs to the upper floor; also outside the basement stairs should be underneath the stairs to the upper floor.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
Does this make sense? What have I forgotten? What would you do differently? Does the granny flat concept work like this?
Tamstar schrieb:
Use a ready-made general contractor floor plan (I’m not familiar with all the providers… Gussek Haus, Bien-Zenker, Town & Country and who knows what else) “Weiß der Geier” must be a regional provider and I would prefer them over the (pseudo) nationwide big names — for both "solid construction" and "prefabricated" builders.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
Pinky0301 schrieb:
I'm not a professional in this area, but I wonder: if I get so old/frail/whatever that I can't even use a stairlift, can I still live in the house at all, or does it even make sense? I see that with my grandparents – they have a 24-hour caregiver at home because they don’t want to go into a care facility, and that’s only possible because the house is reasonably accessible. A stairlift wouldn’t work (anymore) for them. Or, even if hopefully it doesn’t happen, a (temporary) use of a wheelchair after an accident. It’s enough to break a leg to appreciate having a bedroom on the ground floor.
ypg schrieb:
I’m looking at a design about 14 meters wide and 8 meters long.
(About 110 sqm (1,184 sq ft) living area per floor)
If we add some solid, insulated exterior walls, the outer dimensions would be about 14.8 x 8.8 meters (48.5 x 28.9 feet). Thanks for the note about the wall thicknesses.
ypg schrieb:
That’s why I added the note “pilot.” One doesn’t exclude the other.
But as we’re seeing right now, one job is only partially crisis-proof—and I’m not referring to caregiving.
That’s also why the budget is set quite low, which according to the bank advisor still leaves plenty of flexibility.
Tamstar schrieb:
This was mentioned recently in this thread (quite far back): https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/grundrissoptimierung-Stadtvilla-aufschuettueberlegung.33680/ Thanks for the link.
Tamstar schrieb:
Maybe the same floor area, but how much space do you really NEED?
If you drop the separate apartment while keeping the same outer dimensions, you’d already gain a lot of space! And just like that, you “save” €100,000 (according to ypg’s calculation).
Hopefully you’ll lean toward: No, we don’t need it.
What use is your own house if it’s not truly your own = exclusively yours? We’re tending toward no as well. Part of the reason I started this discussion was to hear other perspectives on the topic. Eventually, you just go around in circles on your own.
And we originally planned to visit prefab house shows during the Easter break, but that won’t happen now. So for now, it’s just catalogs and thinking.
Thanks to all of you!!!
11ant schrieb:
"God knows" must be a regional supplier and would be preferred by me over the (pseudo) nationwide big names—both among the "solid construction" and the "prefabricated" builders.You silly! I’m saying I don’t know much about this, so only the companies whose names I’ve heard somewhere come to mind.
And… do regional suppliers have catalogs or online floor plans? My idea was that @AndreaT could first look at the floor plans until we are allowed to visit show homes or regional suppliers again.
Tamstar schrieb:
You dummy! I know!
To me, the phrase "God knows" seemed like a fairly fitting, representative, or collective term for the genre of owner-operated regional builders offering services from structural shell to turnkey completion, who—without hiring a "brand designer" for their company name—simply call themselves something like "Massivbau Schmitz," "Vinzenz Huber & Son," or similar. You don’t necessarily have to look at "Peter from Frosta"—any resemblance to real market participants is purely coincidental—because they’re not really better; it’s just their marketing departments.
Tamstar schrieb:
And... do the regional companies have catalogs or floor plans online? My idea was that @AndreaT could start by looking at the floor plans until visiting model homes or local providers is allowed again. Yes, many of them have (PDF) catalogs of their building proposals, which I like to call things like "Janet 135," "Franzi 140," or similar. These are also available online—on the usual websites that aren’t glossy but made by the neighborhood kid (because these regional builders don’t hype the internet much and prefer to invest in tools for their Ford Transits, which they lease anew every four years). Their site manager only attended the latest mortar-sled training two months ago—so it doesn’t really matter if the homepage still wishes you a "Happy New Year 2017" (better that than the other way around!). @AndreaT: tell me your postal code area, and I’ll check who’s active there.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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Alessandro3 Apr 2020 13:28A wise man once told me: For the cost of a guest room that is used 10-20 times a year, you could pay for a hotel room for your guests their entire lives. It simply never makes financial sense! The same applies to a granny flat (also known as an accessory dwelling unit).
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Matthew033 Apr 2020 14:31Would you like to liven up your own thread a bit? You are not answering basic but essential questions...
And this sentence:
is confusing. Where exactly does the low budget come from? What good does it do if your bank advisor determines your monthly payments? You should set those yourself!
Some people here have calculated for you that with your plan you won’t just barely exceed your budget, but will go far beyond it... does money not matter? If so, why mention 300k at all and not just write "don’t care"?
Matthew03 schrieb:
How many square meters will the house be in the end? The budget won’t be enough, it says 300k including fittings...?! What about additional costs?
And this sentence:
AndreaT schrieb:
That’s also why the budget is set relatively low, which according to the bank advisor still has a lot of room for adjustment.
is confusing. Where exactly does the low budget come from? What good does it do if your bank advisor determines your monthly payments? You should set those yourself!
Some people here have calculated for you that with your plan you won’t just barely exceed your budget, but will go far beyond it... does money not matter? If so, why mention 300k at all and not just write "don’t care"?
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