ᐅ Protection sleeve for underfloor heating pipes missing in the area of movement joints
Created on: 27 Feb 2020 17:39
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lesmue79
In the course of dealing with the issue of the movement joints with my floor installer, I have now identified a defect (in my opinion).
In the area of the movement joints in the dining and kitchen areas (L-shaped room), it appears that the protective conduit around the connection and pipe of the underfloor heating was forgotten. According to the underfloor heating manufacturer and probably several standards, the underfloor heating pipes crossing the movement joints should be fitted with a 30cm (12 inch) protective conduit.
I have already had this issue recorded in the defect report as a precaution and requested feedback on it.
Now I’m wondering how serious this issue is or could become.
I hardly believe the screed installer will replace the screed to add a protective conduit around the pipes. I think it’s more likely that an extension of the warranty will need to be discussed (my preferred option), or financial compensation (which the general contractor will probably prefer, perhaps offering around $500). But how should this be assessed? Or should I already consider hiring an expert or appraiser?
In the area of the movement joints in the dining and kitchen areas (L-shaped room), it appears that the protective conduit around the connection and pipe of the underfloor heating was forgotten. According to the underfloor heating manufacturer and probably several standards, the underfloor heating pipes crossing the movement joints should be fitted with a 30cm (12 inch) protective conduit.
I have already had this issue recorded in the defect report as a precaution and requested feedback on it.
Now I’m wondering how serious this issue is or could become.
I hardly believe the screed installer will replace the screed to add a protective conduit around the pipes. I think it’s more likely that an extension of the warranty will need to be discussed (my preferred option), or financial compensation (which the general contractor will probably prefer, perhaps offering around $500). But how should this be assessed? Or should I already consider hiring an expert or appraiser?
Golfi90 schrieb:
I just spoke with our plumber.
“Protective conduits? That was something they used to do with copper pipes back then. We don’t do that with plastic pipes and never have. Don’t worry about it.”
The typical statements... There you have it!
Even intentional!
Better if you have it in writing.
tumaa schrieb:
There you have it!
Even intentionally!
It's best if you have it in writing. That won't help you at all. He won't do it, and your construction site will be on hold for years. Legally, you have no way to achieve anything quickly.
Bookstar schrieb:
That won’t help you at all. He won’t do it, and your construction site will be inactive for years. Legally, you have no way to achieve anything promptly. 1) I would try to resolve it without a lawyer or anything like that.
2) If he refuses to cooperate, then I would like to have it in writing for my records.
He’s basically saying that he neglected it, but if you can prove that’s not true, how could he argue his way out of it?
In the end, the question usually comes down to a financial compensation or an extension of the warranty. But how do you determine the amount? Considering the potential damage that could occur...
If you knew, estimate: how much work is that for one person?
One day to dig up and expose the area. Then wait overnight to see if the heating pipe is damaged. The next day, install a protective sleeve, fill the area with 4 bags of fast-setting screed, and create a new expansion joint. That amounts to about one thousand euros, compared to a possible water damage or mold damage costing several thousand euros. How do you value this?
If you knew, estimate: how much work is that for one person?
One day to dig up and expose the area. Then wait overnight to see if the heating pipe is damaged. The next day, install a protective sleeve, fill the area with 4 bags of fast-setting screed, and create a new expansion joint. That amounts to about one thousand euros, compared to a possible water damage or mold damage costing several thousand euros. How do you value this?
It would be helpful for me to have a clear and professional statement on how high the risk is that something might happen—or that nothing will happen. Not just “we’ve always done it this way, and nothing ever happened.”
In my opinion, anyone who claims this shouldn’t have any problem confirming it in writing.
Anyone who then looks for excuses not to confirm it in writing becomes suspicious to me, as if they only want to avoid liability during the 4-year warranty period.
Unfortunately, there is no reliable information available online about how high the risk really is.
In my opinion, anyone who claims this shouldn’t have any problem confirming it in writing.
Anyone who then looks for excuses not to confirm it in writing becomes suspicious to me, as if they only want to avoid liability during the 4-year warranty period.
Unfortunately, there is no reliable information available online about how high the risk really is.
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