ᐅ Blue Angel vinyl flooring for underfloor heating, adhesive installation – any experiences?
Created on: 10 Jan 2020 15:10
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ludwig88sta
Hello everyone,
I am curious if there are forum users here who have installed glue-down vinyl flooring with Blue Angel certification (meaning as low-emission and 100% free of harmful substances as possible), which is also better suited for underfloor heating. Could you share some of your experiences with us?
Based on my forum research and additional online searches, I have found the following suppliers offering vinyl/designer floors meeting these requirements (brand, warranty period, thermal resistance):
- WINEO PURLINE Bioboden 1000 wood, 30 years, 0.01 m²K/W
- MEISTER Designboden, 25 years, 0.01 m²K/W
- JOKA Sinero glued design floors, ?? years, 0.042 m²K/W
- HARO Landhaus plank 4VM, 25 years, 0.01 m²K/W
- AMTICO Cirro, 10 years commercial / private ?? years, 0.0154 m²K/W
- EGGER PRO/HOME design floor, 25/20 years, 0.03 m²K/W
- PARADOR Vinyl Classic, lifetime warranty, ?? resistance
- BMG ecoDesign floor, 20 years, ?? resistance
I do not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the listed information! Some of the websites are quite user-unfriendly, and it is not always easy or even possible to find the specific details sought.
For underfloor heating, the thermal resistance of the flooring should not exceed 0.15 m²K/W, and all values listed are well below that (ranging from 0.01 to about 0.03/0.042 m²K/W).
It would also be interesting to hear how you interpret the manufacturer's stated warranty. Flooring naturally wears over time (to varying degrees). When do you think a warranty claim is likely to be justified?
Have I possibly missed a good "bio vinyl floor" in my list?
Thanks and have a great weekend, everyone.
ludwig88sta
I am curious if there are forum users here who have installed glue-down vinyl flooring with Blue Angel certification (meaning as low-emission and 100% free of harmful substances as possible), which is also better suited for underfloor heating. Could you share some of your experiences with us?
Based on my forum research and additional online searches, I have found the following suppliers offering vinyl/designer floors meeting these requirements (brand, warranty period, thermal resistance):
- WINEO PURLINE Bioboden 1000 wood, 30 years, 0.01 m²K/W
- MEISTER Designboden, 25 years, 0.01 m²K/W
- JOKA Sinero glued design floors, ?? years, 0.042 m²K/W
- HARO Landhaus plank 4VM, 25 years, 0.01 m²K/W
- AMTICO Cirro, 10 years commercial / private ?? years, 0.0154 m²K/W
- EGGER PRO/HOME design floor, 25/20 years, 0.03 m²K/W
- PARADOR Vinyl Classic, lifetime warranty, ?? resistance
- BMG ecoDesign floor, 20 years, ?? resistance
I do not guarantee the accuracy or completeness of the listed information! Some of the websites are quite user-unfriendly, and it is not always easy or even possible to find the specific details sought.
For underfloor heating, the thermal resistance of the flooring should not exceed 0.15 m²K/W, and all values listed are well below that (ranging from 0.01 to about 0.03/0.042 m²K/W).
It would also be interesting to hear how you interpret the manufacturer's stated warranty. Flooring naturally wears over time (to varying degrees). When do you think a warranty claim is likely to be justified?
Have I possibly missed a good "bio vinyl floor" in my list?
Thanks and have a great weekend, everyone.
ludwig88sta
ludwig88sta schrieb:
Isn’t that linoleum flooring? But usually, it’s glued down rather than clicked together, right @Scout? In the case of Marmoleum, you don’t need adhesive with questionable emissions. It’s essentially click-lock linoleum, constructed similar to laminate flooring. So, there is an HDF core board plus cork underlay for impact sound insulation in this case, and then a 3mm (1/8 inch) linoleum layer on top. Apart from the glue in the HDF, these are fundamentally safe natural materials.
I saw Marmoleum installed at a friend’s place, and he has been very happy with it in the kids’ rooms for three years now. In the end, however, we went with rubber flooring glued down using an adhesive mainly made from natural rubber latex (Auros Universal Adhesive No. 380) and other natural substances. By the way, it was installed throughout the basement.
Another advantage of the click system is that you can easily replace sections if needed, even just spot repairs in case of damage.
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ludwig88sta20 Jan 2020 12:21Are there still no adhesives with questionable emissions? Because I’m also considering installing linoleum flooring with adhesive, but then you definitely need a good adhesive (Blue Angel)?
The advantage of glued flooring is 1) better for underfloor heating and 2) it’s supposed to feel better to walk on compared to floating installations.
The advantage of glued flooring is 1) better for underfloor heating and 2) it’s supposed to feel better to walk on compared to floating installations.
ludwig88sta schrieb:
Are there still no adhesives with questionable emissions? Because I'm also considering gluing linoleum flooring, but you definitely need a good adhesive for that (Blue Angel)? Blue Angel is actually just the minimum standard; the Greenguard certification or the Canadian FloorScore label should be preferred. The latter are mainly relevant for manufacturers producing for export.
I had thoroughly researched adhesives at the time, and if I had glued linoleum, I probably would have chosen Auro floor adhesive 382.
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ludwig88sta20 Jan 2020 13:08I need to remember the adhesive, thanks!
We have now received a few samples of Forbo Linoleum (Modular). There is a noticeable difference in texture compared to a luxury vinyl tile, and it has a somewhat classic gymnasium / linoleum smell. Do you think it warps easily?
Linoleum:
+ basically more eco-friendly
+ durable
- limited design options
- as expensive as a good luxury vinyl tile
That’s why we are now leaning more towards Wineo 1000.
Actually, linoleum would be a very interesting floor choice for underfloor heating and children’s rooms. Strange that hardly anyone uses it; unfortunately, we don’t know anyone in our circle who has it. We originally wanted to have Linoleum Modular installed with adhesive but haven’t yet found a flooring installer in the area who does this. The Forbo dealer wouldn’t recommend any installers due to the risk of the installer sourcing materials elsewhere...
It seems to be rarely used in private homes here, more common in commercial settings (doctor’s offices, kindergartens, etc.).
Linoleum:
+ basically more eco-friendly
+ durable
- limited design options
- as expensive as a good luxury vinyl tile
That’s why we are now leaning more towards Wineo 1000.
Actually, linoleum would be a very interesting floor choice for underfloor heating and children’s rooms. Strange that hardly anyone uses it; unfortunately, we don’t know anyone in our circle who has it. We originally wanted to have Linoleum Modular installed with adhesive but haven’t yet found a flooring installer in the area who does this. The Forbo dealer wouldn’t recommend any installers due to the risk of the installer sourcing materials elsewhere...
It seems to be rarely used in private homes here, more common in commercial settings (doctor’s offices, kindergartens, etc.).
I have a sample of Forbo Impressa here that I really like. I can definitely imagine using it. What puts me off, though, is the installation (doing it myself?) and the price. Also, once you install it glued down, it’s permanent. It’s not that I want to replace my floor every five years, but things do get damaged from time to time.
I’m currently considering whether we should just lay cheap laminate for now and then redo the floor when the kids are older and more responsible. Then maybe solid wood planks.
I’m currently considering whether we should just lay cheap laminate for now and then redo the floor when the kids are older and more responsible. Then maybe solid wood planks.
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