ᐅ Building the interior of a new timber frame house with solid construction?

Created on: 30 Nov 2019 21:02
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hb-julia
Hello,

we are considering having a timber-framed house built.
However, it is rather unpleasant that current energy-saving regulations require insulation that covers the timber frame of the building envelope – often finished with drywall or, at best, fiber-reinforced gypsum boards.

Doesn’t it make more sense to build solid walls on the inside, for example with sand-lime bricks?
Or would that become too expensive?
hb-julia3 Dec 2019 09:59
nordanney schrieb:

Because both types of houses are basically equivalent. With solid construction, you could also differentiate between modular construction, Poroton, sand-lime brick with clinker, and so on.
A homebuilder – except for you right now – doesn’t really care whether their house will still stand in 300 years or only 250 years. Not even in 100 years. They live in the here and now and want to spend their life or a phase of their life in the house. And that usually lasts 10–40 years, which any house can easily withstand without collapsing.

What exactly are you looking for?

I don’t think so.
What if you want or have to sell the house one day?
And there are plenty of options on the market. Then quality will still be a deciding factor, right?
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Lumpi_LE
3 Dec 2019 10:01
There are both good and bad qualities in wooden houses as well as solid construction homes. Comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges.
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nordanney
3 Dec 2019 10:26
hb-julia schrieb:

And there is enough on the market. So, quality is what really matters, right?

Yes, but the quality can be the same in solid construction and timber frame construction. However, there can also be significant differences between different solid builds or timber frame builds themselves.

And yes, quality is the deciding factor. You can’t generalize which building method is superior. You could build a 100m² (1,076 sq ft) solid house for 150,000€ or a timber frame house for 400,000€. Or vice versa. Your requirements define the quality, not the building method.

The wall material is just one feature of a house. Much more important is the location. Then the fittings. And the layout. Or the landscaping. Maybe even the size of the plot.

Once again: What is your motivation for your questions? What do you really want?
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Yosan
3 Dec 2019 14:17
hb-julia schrieb:

I don’t think so.
What if you want or need to sell the house at some point?
And there are plenty of options on the market. Then quality will still be the deciding factor, right?

If houses are well built, both timber and masonry homes will easily last long enough that for resale it doesn’t really matter that a masonry house might still be standing after 1000 years, while your timber home definitely wouldn’t have the original beams by then… This is just as irrelevant to you as to buyers who would purchase during your lifetime. Focus on sufficiently good quality, then it doesn’t really matter what the house is made of.
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Lumpi_LE
3 Dec 2019 14:29
hb-julia schrieb:

Of course. Nowadays, you can’t be sure you’ll want or be able to live in a house forever.
Do you mean that these days you can’t be sure if you’ll live to be 400 or 600 years old? oO
11ant3 Dec 2019 15:11
nordanney schrieb:

What exactly do you want?
Maybe the chocolate-egg-laying wool-milk-pig in fairy dust pink (?) – at least not yet fully decided on getting help:
hb-julia schrieb:

and then there are concerns about just posting it publicly
The deal is: a mostly completed questionnaire gives a good chance of many ideas. There are some creative DIYers here, but they are often quite bad at reading crystal balls.
hb-julia schrieb:

Of course. Nowadays you can’t be sure you will want to live there forever.
You’re joking. You often hear from buyers of thirty-year-old houses that they no longer like the floor tiles that were modern back then, but never: “You’ll have to lower the price because the house will only last another 120 years.”
hb-julia schrieb:

I don’t believe that. What if you want or have to sell the house someday? And there’s enough on the market. Then quality will still matter, right?
There are discussions about that here, for example that people should move away from kitchens located in the living room because the trendiness might be over in ten years. Or controlled mechanical ventilation: I and a small group say this hype will soon backfire; a larger group says that without controlled mechanical ventilation it will soon be like today without underfloor heating; and the majority says that both groups are too dramatic. The same goes for external thermal insulation composite systems – but you can also see some reassurance there: at one point there were discussions about some houses being “potentially unsellable” or about woodpecker and algae damage, and by now some of those houses have been successfully resold without having to go for bargain prices. One thing is certain: anyone waiting for absolute guarantees will never build.
hb-julia schrieb:

But why do both cost the same?
That’s what market economy means: prices are not explained solely by material and labor costs. If two products target the same customer group (i.e., people with the same purchasing power), sellers want to extract the same amount of money from their pockets. This mechanism reliably leads to price alignment; with objectively equivalent products, only badmouthing one of them can cause people to prefer the other product. Economic processes will continue to be misunderstood as long as people assume that market participants act primarily rationally.
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