ᐅ Single-family house (2 floors + finished basement + converted attic), approximately 200 sqm – modifications
Created on: 20 Oct 2019 21:50
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grericht
Hello,
We are currently working with an architect on the design of our single-family home. Since we have three children, the house should accommodate several future scenarios. These include:
Plot:
Since the plot already has a building, and we want to keep the rear building (it is fully shaded by the apartment building, is in reasonable condition, and might provide future expansion potential—at least suitable for workshops and storage), and since the plot is not very large, we decided on a tall house with a small footprint.
About the house
We have already developed a fairly comfortable floor plan with our chosen architect. Our biggest concern is accidentally planning a wall or something else 5 cm (2 inches) too far to the left or right and then being unable to fit our furniture. I would appreciate it if you would be interested in looking over the current design and giving feedback.
We are currently working with an architect on the design of our single-family home. Since we have three children, the house should accommodate several future scenarios. These include:
- Enough space for everyone
- At some point, the children will move out, and we will downsize to the living basement while renting out the rest
- One or two children might continue living with us (multi-generational living) – possibly in the basement with a separate entrance
- Possibly one child even starts a family in the house, and we move to the basement
Plot:
- 710 sqm (8,000 sq ft) close to the city center
- To the south is our rear building (two stories) attached to a 3.5-story apartment building (boundary development)
- To the north and west are the streets (a corner plot)
- Behind to the west is a large green plot with a single-family house
- To the north beyond the street are apartment buildings
- To the east there is a narrow parking lot followed by a green recreational garden area
- We have to keep a 6 m (20 ft) setback to the streets and the usual 3 m (10 ft) to the parking lot
Since the plot already has a building, and we want to keep the rear building (it is fully shaded by the apartment building, is in reasonable condition, and might provide future expansion potential—at least suitable for workshops and storage), and since the plot is not very large, we decided on a tall house with a small footprint.
About the house
- Eder XP9 or 10 (timber frame) in 42.5 or 49 cm (17 or 19 inches) thickness
- Living basement (150 cm (5 ft) below ground / 100 cm (3 ft) above ground) – if affordable (this allows for the utility room in the basement and more space on the ground floor for a large open-plan living/dining/kitchen area as the main living space)
- Knee wall either 150 cm (5 ft) or, if not much more expensive, a dormer wall above the full upper floor (both options allow the roof space to be used for two rooms; with the dormer, these rooms are very large and could even accommodate an attic instead of bunk beds)
- 50-degree roof pitch (for solar energy efficiency in winter)
- The basement should be designed to eventually allow for a small separate living unit
- Both bathrooms should have a standing toilet or urinal
- We definitely want a windbreak/entry vestibule
- The terrace should be raised with fill
- Underfloor heating with geothermal energy
- Solar energy planned for the future
We have already developed a fairly comfortable floor plan with our chosen architect. Our biggest concern is accidentally planning a wall or something else 5 cm (2 inches) too far to the left or right and then being unable to fit our furniture. I would appreciate it if you would be interested in looking over the current design and giving feedback.
ypg schrieb:
Firstly, your window placements won’t work because you need beams on the ground floor. Those must be supported somewhere on the exterior wall. But you have windows everywhere there...
Secondly, take a look here: this layout is much more practical since it avoids creating a bottleneck inside the house or an installation that could be inconveniently positioned in the center.Thank you very much! I have recreated your design for myself. See the attachment. Has the problem you described been resolved in all three versions? I have no knowledge of structural engineering, but the architect initially planned it this way?!
kaho674 schrieb:
Revised proposal for the hallway from #108 regarding the dimensions:

If necessary, swap the WC and the 50cm (20 inch) cabinet. I would prefer it this way. But no one can go against your self-imposed (quirky) rules.
For the new shoe obsession, one could possibly add a vestibule/entrance area including a shoe cabinet as a subordinate element in front of the entrance. You would need to check the exact regulations for "subordinate element" in your municipality.Thank you! I have now integrated it into my plan again. See the attachment. As I’ve said before, we absolutely want to prevent having to walk through the "shoe dirt zone" with clean shoes on (except my wife, all of us go barefoot). I believe this request isn’t that unusual and is common in other designs as well. We really won’t give up on this. We have also considered a covered entrance. However, I would prefer to keep that more as an optional “roof only” idea and not deal with it in excavation and foundation planning. It seems possible either way.There are now three possible layouts: one from the architect, one from ypg, and one from kaho674. Both new ones are significantly more straightforward but have the drawback that the wardrobe has to be passed through on the way to the WC. I don’t think this is a problem since, in both cases, there is the option to park dirty shoes beforehand. In short: I like both better than the previous version (which was developed solely because we firmly requested that the WC not be accessed through the wardrobe).
I have moved both WCs to the limit on the small side, I think. The urinal fits better in ypg’s design. The "extra wardrobe" in kaho674’s plan can be really useful but could also become messy quite quickly. At the moment, I think I prefer ypg’s version. There, the entrance door just doesn’t quite line up smoothly under the window above (neither flush left nor right)—this also applies to kaho’s plan, though there is more room to adjust there.
All three variants could be open to the corridor or can be nicely separated by a wall and sliding door.
The application has been submitted to the bank. The offer was recently re-evaluated with the roof over two full stories.
The building permit/planning permission application is currently being prepared and will be submitted once we have the bank approvals.
We are now slowly moving into detailed planning. We haven’t made much progress with the bedroom yet. Besides the architect’s design, he considers only the attached one to be realistic. I have now come up with a rather special alternative (idea02). Are there any opinions or assessments on this?
The one wardrobe with 270cm (9 feet) is enough for us. I think the walking spaces are sufficient. The bed could be wider as well. And the best part: my wife gets her mirror with lighting from two sides.



The building permit/planning permission application is currently being prepared and will be submitted once we have the bank approvals.
We are now slowly moving into detailed planning. We haven’t made much progress with the bedroom yet. Besides the architect’s design, he considers only the attached one to be realistic. I have now come up with a rather special alternative (idea02). Are there any opinions or assessments on this?
The one wardrobe with 270cm (9 feet) is enough for us. I think the walking spaces are sufficient. The bed could be wider as well. And the best part: my wife gets her mirror with lighting from two sides.
grericht schrieb:
We haven’t made much progress on the bedroom yet. It might be easier if you swap the bedroom and the study. That would also make more sense if the study becomes child 2’s room before the attic is finished, since then both children’s rooms would be on the southwest side, with plenty of light and sunshine.
grericht schrieb:
And here’s a planning idea for the bathroom.
The sink could also be placed all the way to the left. It’s not clear if the shelf behind the door is really needed.
The shelf next to the toilet is probably more of a wall-mounted shelf for magazines and toilet paper. I would rather wonder how you plan to use the shelf or cabinet behind the bathtub, and whether you might hit your knees on the tub when sitting on the toilet or walking to it. Also, the shower with its walls is so dominant that it breaks up the whole room into a maze-like layout, similar to what you are planning at the entrance (although the current state of that plan is unclear).
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