Hello,
I am new to the forum but have been following the discussions for some time and have a few questions about an upcoming project. Maybe someone has some answers for me.
I am currently renovating our hallway and want to install a suspended ceiling. My usual approach to drilling and fixing is the classic one: mark holes, drill holes, vacuum, insert anchors, pre-drill battens, and fix with screws. As some of you may know, this involves many steps that I want to avoid. Therefore, I am now considering using hammer anchors, with which I have no experience.
I plan to install a substructure using 30x50/40x60mm (1.2x2/1.6x2.4 inches) counter battens and 30x50mm (1.2x2 inches) main battens to mount drywall panels on the ceiling. I have a few questions about the counter battens and their fixing:
1. What is the difference between hammer anchors / nail anchors and frame anchors?
2. I intended to fix the counter battens with hammer anchors. How deep should the anchors be embedded in the concrete ceiling? I usually estimate a depth of 50 to 60mm (2 to 2.4 inches). Is that sufficient, or do they need to be embedded deeper in the concrete? Are there any guidelines I can refer to?
3. How long and thick should the hammer anchors be if I use counter battens sized 40x60mm (1.6x2.4 inches)?
4. If I drill the holes directly through the battens into the ceiling, which drill bit is best to use? Are masonry drill bits unsuitable for this?
I would appreciate any tips and information.
Kind regards
L
I am new to the forum but have been following the discussions for some time and have a few questions about an upcoming project. Maybe someone has some answers for me.
I am currently renovating our hallway and want to install a suspended ceiling. My usual approach to drilling and fixing is the classic one: mark holes, drill holes, vacuum, insert anchors, pre-drill battens, and fix with screws. As some of you may know, this involves many steps that I want to avoid. Therefore, I am now considering using hammer anchors, with which I have no experience.
I plan to install a substructure using 30x50/40x60mm (1.2x2/1.6x2.4 inches) counter battens and 30x50mm (1.2x2 inches) main battens to mount drywall panels on the ceiling. I have a few questions about the counter battens and their fixing:
1. What is the difference between hammer anchors / nail anchors and frame anchors?
2. I intended to fix the counter battens with hammer anchors. How deep should the anchors be embedded in the concrete ceiling? I usually estimate a depth of 50 to 60mm (2 to 2.4 inches). Is that sufficient, or do they need to be embedded deeper in the concrete? Are there any guidelines I can refer to?
3. How long and thick should the hammer anchors be if I use counter battens sized 40x60mm (1.6x2.4 inches)?
4. If I drill the holes directly through the battens into the ceiling, which drill bit is best to use? Are masonry drill bits unsuitable for this?
I would appreciate any tips and information.
Kind regards
L
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Leistchen27 Nov 2019 07:38Good morning,
Yes, that's right, the plastic expansion anchors. I've moved away from using those. I will use standard anchors and screws instead. I'm currently researching what else is available on the market, like metal anchors, Tox plastic anchors, and so on.
However, I will definitely build the substructure using wooden battens, not a metal suspension system.
Has anyone here had experience with metal anchors?
Yes, that's right, the plastic expansion anchors. I've moved away from using those. I will use standard anchors and screws instead. I'm currently researching what else is available on the market, like metal anchors, Tox plastic anchors, and so on.
However, I will definitely build the substructure using wooden battens, not a metal suspension system.
Has anyone here had experience with metal anchors?
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nordanney27 Nov 2019 08:35Leistchen schrieb:
Yes, exactly, the plastic hammer-in anchors. I stopped using them.Why? In my current apartment, I had very good experiences with them – I suspended two rooms and two hallways using wooden battens. Hold the batten against the ceiling, drill through with a masonry bit, and hammer in the plastic anchors. It hardly gets faster or easier than that. Using regular anchors and screws is definitely more complicated.
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Leistchen27 Nov 2019 09:29Correct, it is more complicated. That’s why I wanted to simplify the process and use wall plugs for hammering (hammer anchor bolts).
I changed my mind after reading on a wall plug manufacturer’s website that these hammer plugs should not be subjected to tensile forces, so they should not be used in ceilings either.
I would either fasten the battens the traditional way or possibly use metal anchors.
I changed my mind after reading on a wall plug manufacturer’s website that these hammer plugs should not be subjected to tensile forces, so they should not be used in ceilings either.
I would either fasten the battens the traditional way or possibly use metal anchors.
Have you looked at Rigips’s "Drywall Installation Guide" (page 172, suspended ceiling systems)? You can use anchor bolts because the support profile is attached to the wall just below the ceiling. Drive one in every 75cm (30 inches), place profiles along the short corridor side as the supporting structure, secure them with a clamping connection, attach the panels, and you’re done. It really doesn’t get any easier than that.
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nordanney27 Nov 2019 09:55Leistchen schrieb:
I changed my mind because I read on a dowel manufacturer’s website that hammer-in anchors should not be loaded in tension, so they also shouldn’t be used in the ceiling. Yes, that is technically correct. But you just want to install a suspended ceiling, right?
Alternatively, you can do it properly with the right anchors, screws, and aluminum profiles. It’s much more expensive and labor-intensive, but the result is the same. I wouldn’t consider it worth the extra cost.
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