Good morning,
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
J
j.bautsch13 Nov 2019 14:28kaho674 schrieb:
Oh really? Is a 2m (6.5 feet) wardrobe enough for everything?I had the same thought when I looked at the bedroom. We have a 2.5m (8.2 feet) Pax wardrobe up to the ceiling and three Malm dressers with four drawers each, and that works quite well (there’s still a little bit of space). I think less than that would be tight, but you could still do some extra sorting. Much less than that definitely wouldn’t work!A bit annoyed? Just because you think it’s silly doesn’t mean everyone else has to. The storage issue without a basement exists with every floor plan, but if the walk-in insulated roof becomes too expensive, you’ll have to see what else is possible. There is definitely space for cupboards.
Nordlys schrieb:
There is definitely space for cupboards.Where?
Only one of the children's rooms can offer a planned wall behind the door. In the other rooms, you run into a cupboard side.
This has been better here before. The bedroom used to have its 3 meters (10 feet), now you can arrange the furniture any way you want: it doesn’t get any better.
In the entrance hallway, a proper wardrobe turns the hallway into a 1.10-meter (3 ft 7 in) wide... well, narrow corridor. That was better in the past too.
There isn’t even an office where shelves or a cupboard could store boxes or cartons. Need a pen, wrapping paper, or scissors? Then do you have to go to the outbuilding here?
What does the named cupboard in the utility room actually contain?
For daily life and everyday items, storage space is necessary:
Broom, mop with bucket, vacuum cleaner, handheld vacuum, window cleaner, dryer for wool/sports/hand wash, laundry baskets (some have three!), space for an ironing board and basket with clean laundry, washing machine, dryer (these can also be stacked), cleaning supplies, small kitchen appliances (fondue set, roasting pan, deep fryer, baking dishes, clay pot cooker, champagne cooler), preserving jars, freezer or beverage cooler, shoe care supplies, recycling bags, beverage bottles (cases of water, beer, and juice), a few staples like onions and potatoes, bags and sacks for shopping or gift wrapping, decorations (2 boxes of Christmas decorations, 1 box of Easter, 1 box of general), wrapping paper, office binders, writing supplies, office materials, infrared lamp, medication, photo equipment, hobby stuff (badminton set, fishing rod and the like must stay outside), hand tools, drill, cordless drill, a few paint cans, white paint, brushes and rollers, electrical accessories, light bulbs, batteries, vases, spare cutlery, picnic basket, small step ladder, 2-3 flower pots and fertilizer, empties for recycling, dog food, cat litter box, 15 liters (4 gallons) of emergency water, sewing machine, fabric scraps, plant spray bottles, suitcases, travel and sports bags, carpet and tile leftovers, etc.
You could probably exclude 2-3 items, but I have very likely forgotten some as well.
And for table linens, bed linens, towels, sauna and beach towels, as well as cushions, cupboards with ample space are needed. Cushions cannot simply be stored in an unheated attic...
Nordlys schrieb:
A bit annoyed? Just because you find it annoying doesn’t mean everyone else has to. You mean because of your slight egocentrism? Well, it’s a bit irritating, but I’m managing, thanks. Still like you:
Nordlys schrieb:
Every floor plan has storage issues without a basement, but if the insulated walk-in attic gets too expensive, you just have to see what else is possible. There’s definitely space for wardrobes. Bold claims. We don’t have a basement either, and you’d probably start crying if I told you the amount of wardrobe space we have.
It’s nice that the discussion continues here.
Everyone has their own subjective views.
We men are simply more pragmatic in some matters @Nordlys.
Supply lines and wastewater run beneath the slab, unless supply providers object—in that case they go around the house (short south side). Otherwise, the alternate floor plan is needed (hence 2 active threads).
Regarding storage space, I really appreciate how @ypg insists on it (this is meant positively).
We currently live in a 90m² (969 sq ft) apartment, which also houses my home office.
We probably get by with fewer belongings than average, but it has been enough for the last 8 years, and just doubling the storage space would be fantastic.
But let’s do a basic inventory check:
Utility Room
- Broom, mop and bucket, vacuum cleaner, handheld vacuum, window cleaner
- Dryer for wool/sports/hand wash items — only used in winter, otherwise air-dried outdoors
- Washing machine, dryer
- Laundry baskets (some have three!) — each child can have one
- Ironing board
- Freezer
- Shoe cleaning supplies
- Gift wrapping paper
Bedroom
- Basket with clean laundry — in our case this is put away quickly
- Infrared lamp
- Table linens, bed linens, sauna towels, and beach towels
Bathroom
- Medications
- Towels
Kitchen
- Cleaning supplies, kitchen appliances (fondue set, roaster, deep fryer, baking dishes, clay pot, champagne bucket)
- Recycling bag (yellow sack)
- Beverage bottles (case of water, beer, and juice)
- A few basic foodstuffs like onions and potatoes
- Bags for shopping or gift wrapping
- Empty containers for recycling
Attic
- Decorative items (2 boxes of Christmas decorations, 1 box Easter, 1 box general)
- Suitcases, travel and sports bags (if not used for a long time)
Office / Outbuilding
- Office folders, stationery, office supplies
- Camera gear, hobby stuff (badminton equipment, fishing rod, and similar items must remain outside)
- Hand tools, drill, cordless drill, a few paint cans, white paint, brushes and rollers, electrical supplies, light bulbs, batteries
- Spare cutlery
Garden [shed]
- Vases
- 2–3 flower pots and plant fertilizer
- Cushions (stored in a weatherproof chest)
Living Room
- Plant spray bottle
- Books
Not included
Dog food, cat litter
Carpet and tile remnants, etc.
15 liters (4 gallons) of emergency water
Sewing machine, fabric scraps
Preserving jars
Cooler, picnic basket, small step ladder
Everyone has their own subjective views.
We men are simply more pragmatic in some matters @Nordlys.
Supply lines and wastewater run beneath the slab, unless supply providers object—in that case they go around the house (short south side). Otherwise, the alternate floor plan is needed (hence 2 active threads).
Regarding storage space, I really appreciate how @ypg insists on it (this is meant positively).
We currently live in a 90m² (969 sq ft) apartment, which also houses my home office.
We probably get by with fewer belongings than average, but it has been enough for the last 8 years, and just doubling the storage space would be fantastic.
But let’s do a basic inventory check:
Utility Room
- Broom, mop and bucket, vacuum cleaner, handheld vacuum, window cleaner
- Dryer for wool/sports/hand wash items — only used in winter, otherwise air-dried outdoors
- Washing machine, dryer
- Laundry baskets (some have three!) — each child can have one
- Ironing board
- Freezer
- Shoe cleaning supplies
- Gift wrapping paper
Bedroom
- Basket with clean laundry — in our case this is put away quickly
- Infrared lamp
- Table linens, bed linens, sauna towels, and beach towels
Bathroom
- Medications
- Towels
Kitchen
- Cleaning supplies, kitchen appliances (fondue set, roaster, deep fryer, baking dishes, clay pot, champagne bucket)
- Recycling bag (yellow sack)
- Beverage bottles (case of water, beer, and juice)
- A few basic foodstuffs like onions and potatoes
- Bags for shopping or gift wrapping
- Empty containers for recycling
Attic
- Decorative items (2 boxes of Christmas decorations, 1 box Easter, 1 box general)
- Suitcases, travel and sports bags (if not used for a long time)
Office / Outbuilding
- Office folders, stationery, office supplies
- Camera gear, hobby stuff (badminton equipment, fishing rod, and similar items must remain outside)
- Hand tools, drill, cordless drill, a few paint cans, white paint, brushes and rollers, electrical supplies, light bulbs, batteries
- Spare cutlery
Garden [shed]
- Vases
- 2–3 flower pots and plant fertilizer
- Cushions (stored in a weatherproof chest)
Living Room
- Plant spray bottle
- Books
Not included
Dog food, cat litter
Carpet and tile remnants, etc.
15 liters (4 gallons) of emergency water
Sewing machine, fabric scraps
Preserving jars
Cooler, picnic basket, small step ladder
kaho674 schrieb:
I’m really curious about the groundbreaking record in cost savings for a “non-corner bungalow” price. I think the original poster is more afraid than anything to ask the general contractor directly, only to be told, “You don’t necessarily have to stick rigidly to these external dimensions; the same floor area means the same price.” If that happens, all the effort of filling in those constantly changing internal wall layouts within the same repeated external dimensions would have been completely pointless.
By the way, it’s *ironic* that it’s starting to get tiring not to have the floor plans shown in two colors: instead of searching pixel by pixel for changes like in a “find the difference” puzzle, it would be much easier if the sections of the wall layout that were changed compared to the previous version were simply highlighted.
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