Good morning,
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
Tina mit K12 Nov 2019 22:45Nordlys schrieb:
Ravioli is always kept in the living room cabinet, right?Of course, always in the display cabinet with backlighting and built-in electric can openers. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have quick access and an overview of the stock.Nordlys schrieb:
My extra costs in 2017: Staircase: 3,000 more; steeper roof pitch and upstairs hallway and Velux windows on top plus full-surface studio binder and tongue-and-groove boarding: 9 = 12,000.
Insulation done myself: 2.
The result is well known: a comfortable basement replacement.
Otherwise, I would revert to the L-shaped kitchen model from a few pages ago. The design from the very beginning was the most convincing. Good morning, I probably misunderstood here regarding a cold roof @kaho674 and also about the limited possibilities with a roof pitch of 24°, due to insufficient information on my part.
@Nordlys we probably won’t reach your cost level with our general contractor in 2020, especially since we will not do the roof insulation ourselves. At least some benchmark values so we can weigh the pros and cons. Since the staircase is supposed to end quite close to the ridge, I’m not entirely sure if the planned utility room fits well with the staircase.
Current floor plan we want to start planning with (see attachment):
Hallway with 1.80m (6 feet) width, approximately 4m (13 feet) length
- Entrance door 160cm (63 inches) wide with 2 side panels (glass) for more natural light
Layout/space could be used as follows:
- Coats/wardrobe area at the entrance
- Pull-out bench for sitting and storage
- Chest of drawers for keys and such
- Access to the utility room directly from the hallway including back entrance (for dirt/work clothes, etc.)
- Instead of the staircase to the attic, a 240cm (94 inches) wide closet
*Ideas sought for #8 design on the south side
*Ideas sought for bathroom layout
In my “cold roof” the temperature becomes unbearably high in summer. Many items that could normally be stored in cold conditions without any problem I would no longer keep there. For example, my skis along with ski boots, or the sled.
You can only store things that are not sensitive to cold, heat, or moisture. No paper, no plastics... in fact, there isn’t much left! Up there I keep leftover tiles, scraps of wallpaper, and flooring materials. That’s it. Christmas decorations can still be stored there... but beyond that? I can’t think of anything else.
If you choose this option, then do it properly: insulate the roof, and it will become truly usable.
You can only store things that are not sensitive to cold, heat, or moisture. No paper, no plastics... in fact, there isn’t much left! Up there I keep leftover tiles, scraps of wallpaper, and flooring materials. That’s it. Christmas decorations can still be stored there... but beyond that? I can’t think of anything else.
If you choose this option, then do it properly: insulate the roof, and it will become truly usable.
micric3 schrieb:
Current floor plan that we want to use for the planning phase. (see attachment)
Hallway with 1.80m (5.9 feet) width, approximately 4m (13 feet) length
- Entrance door 160cm (63 inches) wide with 2 side panels (glass) for more natural light
I’m not an expert on bungalows, but what a cramped and uninviting entrance area. The hallway leads into an even narrower and darker corridor at the end – it makes you want to leave the house right away.
Additionally:
- Utility room (HAR) connections would have to be run around the entire house (this is probably the sticking point that will shelve the design),
- Bedroom closet is too small,
- Relaxation corner offers no privacy as it’s a passageway,
- Kitchen is at the very far end from the front door.
The utility room is almost square. That might look nice, but with technical rooms, you mainly need wall space. The center space is hard to utilize effectively. As you may have noticed yourself, you get relatively little usable surface area compared to the total. Unless you put cabinets in the middle of the room, which would seem quite odd. If you manage to fit everything, fine – but given the lack of storage space, this is a luxury I don’t think you can afford.
I would be curious about the groundbreaking cost-saving record for the “non-corner bungalow” price. Is it worth these drawbacks, and can you even take advantage of it considering the expected additional costs for the utility lines?
Nonsense. It works. What stands out? The staircase is now gone. The attic storage space has therefore been given up. Okay. That’s the basic decision.
Wastewater is all directed to one side. Saves money. A utility sink could still be installed in the laundry room.
The hallway needs lighting. Plan for 5 spotlights recessed in the drywall ceiling.
Choose a glazed front door.
Kitchen: No counter bar. Use a U-shaped layout. Stove under the window. Please use a Swedish-style window that opens outward. Done—no need for a range hood.
All rooms are large enough, so why have an L-shape?
Wastewater is all directed to one side. Saves money. A utility sink could still be installed in the laundry room.
The hallway needs lighting. Plan for 5 spotlights recessed in the drywall ceiling.
Choose a glazed front door.
Kitchen: No counter bar. Use a U-shaped layout. Stove under the window. Please use a Swedish-style window that opens outward. Done—no need for a range hood.
All rooms are large enough, so why have an L-shape?
Nordlys schrieb:
Nonsense. Nonsense, who or what?
I’m glad you find your house absolutely perfect, but it only is for you! Even if you’re a bit more experienced now, you need to remember this!
With two children and a floor area of 17 x 9.5 m (56 x 31 ft), the roof size is probably different from yours, and the house requirements are different too. Also, with two kids, it’s harder to find the time and energy to insulate such a huge roof yourself. So, nonsense on your side.
Nordlys schrieb:
It works. Oh really? Is a 2 m (6.5 ft) wardrobe really enough for everything? That wouldn’t even be enough clothes storage for one person in my case.
There’s a trend now to manage with as few clothes as possible—like 16 items for everything or something like that. But you have to be into that. I’d be too lazy to keep up and wash clothes all the time.
Where do you store bedding, towels, blankets, suitcases, winter jackets, scarves, hats, gloves, sports bags, etc.? All in the utility room? Are there also buckets, vacuum cleaners, tools, cleaning products, brooms, and similar items? That’s going to be interesting. In the end, aren’t the cupboards standing in the middle of the room?
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