ᐅ Enlarging the Living Room / Extending the Concrete Ceiling?
Created on: 11 Nov 2019 14:26
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spyfromtheeast
Hello everyone,
I recently moved into a relatively new house, built in 2016. The house is built with solid construction. The wall blocks are Gisoton blocks, 42cm (16.5 inches) thick. The house also has a full basement.
As usual, you only notice some of the less optimal aspects once you’re living in it. In my case, the living room is too small, so I would like to enlarge it. To do this, the basement below would probably also need to be expanded (at least in one direction), otherwise I would have to block up the basement windows. I did a quick sketch to show what that might look like:
As you can see, part of the garage would have to go. For the roof, I was thinking of a simple pitched roof that would connect to the main wall of the upper floor.
The question is whether it is even possible structurally to extend a concrete ceiling like this, or if that is generally not feasible? Maybe in our case it would also be possible to support the ceiling from below with a steel beam?
It would probably also be easier to enlarge the living room only toward the garage side rather than in two directions?
Overall, is it a bad idea to take something like this on, or is it doable?
I haven’t gone very far with my considerations yet, but before I approach an architect or structural engineer, I wanted to ask here first. Maybe there are some good suggestions as well. Of course, aside from the structural aspects, many other questions would have to be clarified (building permits / planning permissions, utilities, etc.).
Thanks, spyfromtheeast
I recently moved into a relatively new house, built in 2016. The house is built with solid construction. The wall blocks are Gisoton blocks, 42cm (16.5 inches) thick. The house also has a full basement.
As usual, you only notice some of the less optimal aspects once you’re living in it. In my case, the living room is too small, so I would like to enlarge it. To do this, the basement below would probably also need to be expanded (at least in one direction), otherwise I would have to block up the basement windows. I did a quick sketch to show what that might look like:
As you can see, part of the garage would have to go. For the roof, I was thinking of a simple pitched roof that would connect to the main wall of the upper floor.
The question is whether it is even possible structurally to extend a concrete ceiling like this, or if that is generally not feasible? Maybe in our case it would also be possible to support the ceiling from below with a steel beam?
It would probably also be easier to enlarge the living room only toward the garage side rather than in two directions?
Overall, is it a bad idea to take something like this on, or is it doable?
I haven’t gone very far with my considerations yet, but before I approach an architect or structural engineer, I wanted to ask here first. Maybe there are some good suggestions as well. Of course, aside from the structural aspects, many other questions would have to be clarified (building permits / planning permissions, utilities, etc.).
Thanks, spyfromtheeast
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spyfromtheeast12 Nov 2019 16:10Thanks for the tips. Yes, the steel beam could also look really awkward. 25cm (10 inches) is quite a lot of material.
The ceiling height on the ground floor is relatively high, 2.55m (8.37 feet) if I’m not mistaken.
Regards, spyfromtheeast
The ceiling height on the ground floor is relatively high, 2.55m (8.37 feet) if I’m not mistaken.
Regards, spyfromtheeast
I find this step-by-step information approach very annoying. Just to say that upfront.
I would be interested in seeing the complete plans for the basement and ground floor so that I can get an overall understanding of the current situation.
If it’s only about this extension, I would recommend finding a qualified structural engineer who is authorized to submit building documents. I would save the architect’s fee for this.
The basement won’t necessarily need to be expanded unless you require the windows. Then, the ground floor could have a flat-roof extension.
I would be interested in seeing the complete plans for the basement and ground floor so that I can get an overall understanding of the current situation.
If it’s only about this extension, I would recommend finding a qualified structural engineer who is authorized to submit building documents. I would save the architect’s fee for this.
The basement won’t necessarily need to be expanded unless you require the windows. Then, the ground floor could have a flat-roof extension.
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Matthew0313 Nov 2019 08:56Has the actual purpose ever been explained in detail somewhere, instead of just saying "everything is too small for me"?
I mean specifically: the space is already 4.20 by 5.20 m (14 by 17 feet)! How will the furniture be arranged? Which furniture is supposed to go into the new layout at all? This sounds like it will become a ballroom without a clear practical use for the extra space! We have 4 by 4 meters (13 by 13 feet) and a cozy corner with a sofa for four people, a coffee table, and it’s not too small.
Is this just a matter of personal feeling? Then there’s obviously no need to argue further. But if there is a specific purpose (which I may have missed), it should be explained in more detail so that people can offer advice.
Otherwise, this will be the most expensive private ballroom of the year for me.
I mean specifically: the space is already 4.20 by 5.20 m (14 by 17 feet)! How will the furniture be arranged? Which furniture is supposed to go into the new layout at all? This sounds like it will become a ballroom without a clear practical use for the extra space! We have 4 by 4 meters (13 by 13 feet) and a cozy corner with a sofa for four people, a coffee table, and it’s not too small.
Is this just a matter of personal feeling? Then there’s obviously no need to argue further. But if there is a specific purpose (which I may have missed), it should be explained in more detail so that people can offer advice.
Otherwise, this will be the most expensive private ballroom of the year for me.
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