Good morning,
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
So, it’s really going to be an uninsulated cold roof after all. You can’t store a winter coat there. Nor shoes. Definitely not vinyl records—they turn into rubber in summer. Even canned goods start cooking up there in the heat. Nothing can safely be stored there. That’s why, in my opinion, it’s hardly worth it—unless you insulate the roof, but that will cost quite a bit, I think. There is still the option shown here to insulate only part of it as a storage and technical room. But 6000 for a 30° pitch? Hmm.
We also have a cold roof. Up there, we keep Christmas decorations, painting supplies (rollers, brushes, poles, etc.), and old aquarium filters (which could technically go to the trash) – that’s it. We don’t have anything else that could be stored up there without turning to ruin. Build a staircase for that? No way! But it’s just the two of us, and we have six linear meters of closet space in the bedroom alone. Plus the office and two unused kids’ rooms...
Where you plan to put your files for the house construction alone is a mystery to me.
We also have a cold roof. Up there, we keep Christmas decorations, painting supplies (rollers, brushes, poles, etc.), and old aquarium filters (which could technically go to the trash) – that’s it. We don’t have anything else that could be stored up there without turning to ruin. Build a staircase for that? No way! But it’s just the two of us, and we have six linear meters of closet space in the bedroom alone. Plus the office and two unused kids’ rooms...
Where you plan to put your files for the house construction alone is a mystery to me.
My additional costs in 2017: Staircase: 3,000 more Steeper roof pitch and upstairs hallway plus Velux on top, also full-surface studio beams and tongue-and-groove paneling: 9 = 12,000.
Insulation done myself: 2
The result is well known: a comfortable basement replacement.
Otherwise, I would revert to the L-shaped kitchen from a few pages back. The initial design from the very beginning was the most coherent.
What is a space-saving staircase? K.
Insulation done myself: 2
The result is well known: a comfortable basement replacement.
Otherwise, I would revert to the L-shaped kitchen from a few pages back. The initial design from the very beginning was the most coherent.
What is a space-saving staircase? K.
Nordlys schrieb:
DIY Insulation: Insulating the roof yourself would be an option. It’s not that difficult, but you need the time and physical fitness. The area of 17m x 9.5m (56ft x 31ft) is quite substantial. However, the materials still have to be paid for. This is often underestimated.
Nordlys schrieb:
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Nordlys schrieb:
The initial design was the most coherent.Definitely not. You don’t mean the very first one. The original poster (OP) now has 4? threads running. In the third or fourth thread, exactly what I criticized (and was kind of alone in pointing out) has been addressed and accepted by the OP.
Nordlys schrieb:
What is a space-saving staircase? K.A staircase where the steps are arranged asymmetrically in a pattern left, right, left, right to save space. It’s not great—steep and uncomfortable. I also don’t understand why anyone would want a space-saving staircase here. A comfortable but narrower one made without premium wood would be sufficient. Even a metal staircase would work here, but please not a steep one.
Regarding the cold roof, Katja already mentioned something. That’s why I asked and criticized this half-baked concept. Intended but poorly executed: none of you will be using that space-saving staircase. It’s more likely you’ll be storing a can of ravioli in the living room cabinet.
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