Good morning,
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
In principle, the floor plan we want to proceed with in the planning phase is already set.
See thread: #177 Finalizing the floor plan Bungalow 130m² (1,399 ft²) for 4 people
However, I wanted to take the opportunity to discuss a different room orientation once more.
The "living rectangle" including the kitchen remains similar to the original floor plan. The living room will be slightly shorter.
Our garden area is on the south (left side of the plan) and west (top of the plan).
This would allow the following optimizations:
- Both children's bedrooms facing west would each get a terrace door, giving direct access to the courtyard (suggestion by @ypg)
- The living room would also receive 2 terrace doors directly, now with a view of the greenery instead of the neighbor’s boundary development
- The outdoor unit of the air-to-water heat pump would be located "behind" the house, where it would at most bother the neighbor
What I like less, and why I am posting again to get advice/comments:
Entrance / Hallway / Foyer
- (remains an L-shape) slightly longer
- I have no ideas for implementing a coat storage
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room
Utility room / Guest toilet
- Unusual solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped corridor"
- Entrance area of the toilet would be walk-through space for the utility room
Other possible access points:
- Kitchen
- Guest toilet
- Door to the outside
Also the question: How high is the extra effort/cost if the utility room is located on the other side of the house, in terms of connection costs?
Top of the plan: West (utility connections)
Left side of the plan: South
Right side of the plan: North
Bottom of the plan: East
I hope I don’t just get opposition but can start a productive discussion here.
Basically weighing the pros and cons.
Thank you very much
I think it’s not bad. But how are the utility lines going to the laundry room handled? Do you plan to build over them or route them around the entire structure? They were coming from the top of the plan, right?
Also, having to always go through the bathroom to get to the laundry room is a bit inconvenient. You could still move the door and slightly reduce the size of the bathroom. But then the shower would become unnecessary?
Why wasn’t a corner layout possible? Maybe something like this?:
Also, having to always go through the bathroom to get to the laundry room is a bit inconvenient. You could still move the door and slightly reduce the size of the bathroom. But then the shower would become unnecessary?
Why wasn’t a corner layout possible? Maybe something like this?:
Thank you, Katja. A nice alternative if we were designing it freely!
That’s correct. Hence the question about the additional costs/effort and feasibility.
A second shower is not planned anyway. Moving the door towards the bottom of the plan would look odd. Alternatively, access via the kitchen or guest toilet with an external door.
Both options are suboptimal and not really appealing. So these are just the pros and cons.
Unplanned additional costs compared to the general contractor’s model.
Also, the width should not exceed 9.50m (31 feet) on the right side of the plan so that the outbuilding is not enclosed.
Good luck
kaho674 schrieb:
With the pipes going up to the utility room? Do you want to build over them or route around the whole box? They came from the top of the plan, right?
That’s correct. Hence the question about the additional costs/effort and feasibility.
kaho674 schrieb:
Also, always having to go through the toilet to get to the utility room is a bit inconvenient. But the door could be moved and the toilet made a bit smaller. The shower would then be unnecessary?
A second shower is not planned anyway. Moving the door towards the bottom of the plan would look odd. Alternatively, access via the kitchen or guest toilet with an external door.
Both options are suboptimal and not really appealing. So these are just the pros and cons.
kaho674 schrieb:
Why couldn’t it be an angle? Maybe something like this?:
Unplanned additional costs compared to the general contractor’s model.
Also, the width should not exceed 9.50m (31 feet) on the right side of the plan so that the outbuilding is not enclosed.
Good luck
micric3 schrieb:
Thanks Katja. Nice alternative if we were designing it ourselves! You’re not designing freely? How come?
micric3 schrieb:
Uncalculated additional costs compared to the general contractor model. Square meters almost the same—I think 3 more. The roof would definitely be more expensive, that’s true. I would switch to a gable roof.
micric3 schrieb:
Also, the width shouldn’t exceed 9.50 m (31 feet) on the plan-right side so that the outbuilding won’t be blocked. The house was oriented to the north. So “plan-right” is 9 m (30 feet) in my case—narrower than yours.
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hampshire30 Oct 2019 10:34I find the design very successful.
The L-shape of the hallway is perfectly fine. If you have space for recessed ceiling lights from the commercial lighting sector, you can achieve a very even and soft light with just a few fixtures throughout the entire hallway. We used Ansorg Coray as a "very wide flood" and are impressed. Five units are more than enough.
Another option, which is more expensive, would be a backlit ceiling panel. It could give an impression of an "open sky" above and would be a real highlight.
The cloakroom can be designed as a long and narrow area because of the usable length of the hallway leg. Then coats and jackets can simply be hung with hangers parallel to the wall.
The solution with a "pass-through toilet" is not the most practical but has a lot of character and serves a good purpose (aesthetics). I like it very much and much more than a tiny WC compartment plus a hallway extension at the "L". Guests are welcome to make fun of it.
Of course, you can think in terms of "additional costs"—but that doesn't help much. What matters is that the house is as comfortably affordable as possible. Placing the utility room on the other side might make the house cheaper but, in all likelihood, also much less attractive.
I would also consider making the child’s bedroom closer to the hallway a bit wider. If you skip the classic clearance between the door frame and the side wall in the larger child’s room, you gain 10 to 20cm (4 to 8 inches), which definitely helps without much else changing.
micric3 schrieb:
Entrance / Hallway
- ( remains an L ) slightly longer
- No ideas for implementing a cloakroom
- Lighting? Possibly a narrow window in the living room for daylight
The L-shape of the hallway is perfectly fine. If you have space for recessed ceiling lights from the commercial lighting sector, you can achieve a very even and soft light with just a few fixtures throughout the entire hallway. We used Ansorg Coray as a "very wide flood" and are impressed. Five units are more than enough.
Another option, which is more expensive, would be a backlit ceiling panel. It could give an impression of an "open sky" above and would be a real highlight.
The cloakroom can be designed as a long and narrow area because of the usable length of the hallway leg. Then coats and jackets can simply be hung with hangers parallel to the wall.
micric3 schrieb:
Utility Room / Guest Toilet
- unorthodox solution if you want to keep an "L-shaped hallway"
- entrance area of the WC would become a transit area for the utility room
The solution with a "pass-through toilet" is not the most practical but has a lot of character and serves a good purpose (aesthetics). I like it very much and much more than a tiny WC compartment plus a hallway extension at the "L". Guests are welcome to make fun of it.
micric3 schrieb:
Also, the question is: How much extra effort / additional costs would there be if the utility room is on the other side of the house, regarding connection costs?
Of course, you can think in terms of "additional costs"—but that doesn't help much. What matters is that the house is as comfortably affordable as possible. Placing the utility room on the other side might make the house cheaper but, in all likelihood, also much less attractive.
I would also consider making the child’s bedroom closer to the hallway a bit wider. If you skip the classic clearance between the door frame and the side wall in the larger child’s room, you gain 10 to 20cm (4 to 8 inches), which definitely helps without much else changing.
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