ᐅ Single-family house – 150 sqm – 1.5 stories – frustration
Created on: 4 Oct 2019 18:23
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snowfollows
Hello!
After receiving a draft from the architect yesterday, I am reaching out to you in desperation!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 819m² (8,819 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development -
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of stories -
Roof type -
Architectural style -
Orientation -
Maximum height / limits -
Other requirements -
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type timeless, classic, simple, brick veneer, gable roof
Basement, number of floors no basement, 1.5 floors
Number of people, age 2 currently (26, 23) plus a dog (Golden Retriever), children soon
Space requirements on ground floor: kitchen, living room, dining room, utility room, bathroom with shower, possibly an office upper floor: master bedroom, two children’s rooms, bathroom, office if not on ground floor, laundry room would be nice
Office: family use or home office? home office
Number of guest sleepers per year 0
Open or closed layout semi-open
Conservative or modern construction style ?
Open kitchen, cooking island cooking island
Number of dining seats daily 4, guests 8
Fireplace no
Music / stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport carport
Vegetable garden, greenhouse no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are or are not wanted:
- Carport adjacent to utility room
- Utility room adjacent to kitchen
- Kitchen semi-open to living/dining area
- Possibility to create 2 separate living units, for example through a staircase at the main entrance and a vestibule in the hallway (for when the children grow up, rental, etc.)
House Design
Who designed it: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Not really anything
What do you dislike? Why? Room layout is totally illogical, for example living room in the northeast, utility room in the southwest and far from the carport, 170m² (1,829 sq ft) instead of 150m² (1,615 sq ft)
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: -
Personal price limit for house, including fittings: €275,000
Preferred heating technology: geothermal with horizontal trench collector
If you had to give up something, which details/features
- can you give up: cooking island, office on ground floor, laundry room
- cannot give up: semi-open living / kitchen area, possibility to create 2 separate living units
Why does the design look the way it does? For example:
Standard design from the planner? No, but the planner showed us a similar floor plan during discussions
Which of your wishes were implemented by the architect? four walls
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? They hardly considered our wishes and the house is way too large
What is the most important or fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
We took our own floor plan to two builders who offered it as is. We were not really satisfied and wanted a professional involved. Unfortunately, the architect’s drawing was a real disappointment. Issues I notice as a layperson seem to be overlooked or ignored. Shouldn’t our wishes be feasible within 150m² (1,615 sq ft)? The floor plan problem is holding us back a lot. The architect took almost a month to send us this poor draft. Structural calculations, energy regulations, etc., are waiting to move forward, and I don’t know what to do.
The house is number 25 (blue in the center) on the site plan.
Best regards
André
After receiving a draft from the architect yesterday, I am reaching out to you in desperation!
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size 819m² (8,819 sq ft)
Slope no
Site coverage ratio -
Floor area ratio -
Building window, building line, and boundary -
Edge development -
Number of parking spaces 2
Number of stories -
Roof type -
Architectural style -
Orientation -
Maximum height / limits -
Other requirements -
Homeowner Requirements
Style, roof type, building type timeless, classic, simple, brick veneer, gable roof
Basement, number of floors no basement, 1.5 floors
Number of people, age 2 currently (26, 23) plus a dog (Golden Retriever), children soon
Space requirements on ground floor: kitchen, living room, dining room, utility room, bathroom with shower, possibly an office upper floor: master bedroom, two children’s rooms, bathroom, office if not on ground floor, laundry room would be nice
Office: family use or home office? home office
Number of guest sleepers per year 0
Open or closed layout semi-open
Conservative or modern construction style ?
Open kitchen, cooking island cooking island
Number of dining seats daily 4, guests 8
Fireplace no
Music / stereo wall no
Balcony, roof terrace no
Garage, carport carport
Vegetable garden, greenhouse no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine, including reasons why certain things are or are not wanted:
- Carport adjacent to utility room
- Utility room adjacent to kitchen
- Kitchen semi-open to living/dining area
- Possibility to create 2 separate living units, for example through a staircase at the main entrance and a vestibule in the hallway (for when the children grow up, rental, etc.)
House Design
Who designed it: architect
What do you particularly like? Why? Not really anything
What do you dislike? Why? Room layout is totally illogical, for example living room in the northeast, utility room in the southwest and far from the carport, 170m² (1,829 sq ft) instead of 150m² (1,615 sq ft)
Cost estimate according to architect/planner: -
Personal price limit for house, including fittings: €275,000
Preferred heating technology: geothermal with horizontal trench collector
If you had to give up something, which details/features
- can you give up: cooking island, office on ground floor, laundry room
- cannot give up: semi-open living / kitchen area, possibility to create 2 separate living units
Why does the design look the way it does? For example:
Standard design from the planner? No, but the planner showed us a similar floor plan during discussions
Which of your wishes were implemented by the architect? four walls
What do you think makes it particularly good or bad? They hardly considered our wishes and the house is way too large
What is the most important or fundamental question about the floor plan summarized in 130 characters?
We took our own floor plan to two builders who offered it as is. We were not really satisfied and wanted a professional involved. Unfortunately, the architect’s drawing was a real disappointment. Issues I notice as a layperson seem to be overlooked or ignored. Shouldn’t our wishes be feasible within 150m² (1,615 sq ft)? The floor plan problem is holding us back a lot. The architect took almost a month to send us this poor draft. Structural calculations, energy regulations, etc., are waiting to move forward, and I don’t know what to do.
The house is number 25 (blue in the center) on the site plan.
Best regards
André
I have to admit that I’m not entirely sure what you are looking for. Perhaps the architect felt the same. All we see is what you don’t want. Are you lacking suggestions? There are plenty available online.
Here is one example (top of the plan is south / stairs with no landing!):
KN: 1m (3 ft 3 in)
Roof pitch: 45°
For environmental reasons, the roof is naturally oriented towards the sun. Living areas are placed more towards the garden to avoid street noise. A corner terrace offers flexibility. Windows and patio doors could also be designed as corner units.
Setting the budget aside, you have very good options with this plot. As long as the location of the terrace isn’t decided, it’s hard to offer meaningful advice. You will probably need to make such decisions first. Then things can move forward.
Here is one example (top of the plan is south / stairs with no landing!):
KN: 1m (3 ft 3 in)
Roof pitch: 45°
For environmental reasons, the roof is naturally oriented towards the sun. Living areas are placed more towards the garden to avoid street noise. A corner terrace offers flexibility. Windows and patio doors could also be designed as corner units.
Setting the budget aside, you have very good options with this plot. As long as the location of the terrace isn’t decided, it’s hard to offer meaningful advice. You will probably need to make such decisions first. Then things can move forward.
WA / I / o / ED / floor area ratio 0.4 / plot ratio 0.6 – the site plan is otherwise (including heights) barely readable and appears to be an excerpt from a property listing, not a development plan (or at least the legend and text section are missing).
In my opinion, you should still provide: 1. your own design; 2. the name of the development plan (“Posemuckel No. 12 in Hansen’s Garden,” not as a link).
At your age, I think it makes no sense to consider the possibility of dividing the house later for children who haven’t even moved out yet. If you’re building so young, you will probably do this two more times.
Your price expectation is not realistic—definitely not with a Frisian gable, brick cladding, and similar frills. That kind of style only works with a roof space that is merely pre-equipped.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
snowfollows schrieb:So why do we only see proposals from the builder and the architect here (and an example from Town & Country), but not your own original plan (about which we now know no more than that both professionals apparently implemented it poorly or incorrectly)?
We took our own floor plan to two builders who offered it to us as is.
In my opinion, you should still provide: 1. your own design; 2. the name of the development plan (“Posemuckel No. 12 in Hansen’s Garden,” not as a link).
At your age, I think it makes no sense to consider the possibility of dividing the house later for children who haven’t even moved out yet. If you’re building so young, you will probably do this two more times.
Your price expectation is not realistic—definitely not with a Frisian gable, brick cladding, and similar frills. That kind of style only works with a roof space that is merely pre-equipped.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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hampshire7 Oct 2019 10:00kaho674 schrieb:
I have to admit that it’s not entirely clear to me what you are hoping for. I already had this impression from the first post, and it was confirmed as the thread progressed. This is where you need to start. Take your own critical comments and feedback and turn them into clear and organized requirements. It’s about how you want to live, and nobody else can know that for you. The more specific the client is, the better the design will be. However, an architect should be able to help you clarify this together.
You will likely have to make compromises due to the plot, building regulations (building permit / planning permission), and budget. That is completely fine. What’s important is to set priorities.
The architect’s design may not seem to fit you perfectly, but that does not mean it is a bad design.
snowfollows schrieb:
As I said, I have no problem with other opinions and I am open to being convinced otherwise. However, I don’t want to have to justify what each item costs, especially when these are the usual prices around here...
50€ net, the standard is 30€ for most. 130€? What are you planning to use? When my parents renovated three years ago, they ended up paying 50€ gross, and that was already something decent...30€ is just the tile price, but you won’t get anything special for that... visit a tile showroom and you’ll only like the more expensive tiles. We paid around 60€, plus installation, design grout, trims, large tile format, etc., and in the end, we landed at 150€ net.It was similar with many other items... electrical work was included for us as well... a few additional two-way switches, wireless switches, and suddenly 6000€ were gone for little extra service... forget about Q2 plastering, for example. With every trade, the cost doubles because only then does it actually look good.
Zaba12 schrieb:
A 3.76m (12.3 feet) wide living room. Haha. Sure, you can do that. You can...
but of course, that should not be the case in any new build. I think you shouldn’t build less than 4m (13.1 feet).
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