ᐅ Finalizing the floor plan for a 130 m² bungalow designed for 4 people
Created on: 23 Jul 2019 08:00
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micric3
Hello,
we have finalized the floor plan for our project and tried to incorporate feedback/criticism from the previous thread. A new thread was also necessary to include relevant information in the initial post.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 1000 m² (10,764 sq ft)
External dimensions of the house: 16 m x 9.5 m (52.5 ft x 31.2 ft) (these were specified by the construction company to stay as close as possible to the budget)
Slope: No
Number of parking spaces: 0
Number of floors: Bungalow
Roof type: Hip roof, gable roof, or shed roof
Orientation: Entrance on the east, living room facing west, dining room facing southwest
Additional requirements: Must blend in with the existing building
Utility connections: Electricity and wastewater/water connections come from the driveway on the west side
Client requirements
Number of people, ages: 4 people (2 x 40 years, 2 x 3 years)
Office: In the outbuilding
Guests per year: Maximum 2
Open or closed layout: Open
Conservative or modern architectural style: Either
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Probably U-shaped kitchen, open to alternatives
Number of dining seats: Possibly 2–4 casual spots in the kitchen; otherwise 6–8 in the dining room
Fireplace: Yes, as a room divider between dining and living room
Garage, carport: On the driveway
House design
Who designed it:
- Based on the bungalow 131 floor plan from Town & Country
- Design planned independently using RoomSketcher
What do you particularly like? Why?
- Room layout (size)
- Room divider between kitchen, dining room, and living room (L-shape)
- No hallway
- Open area as a transition space between kitchen and living room
Cost estimate from architect/planner: 215,000
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: 250,000
Preferred heating system: Air-to-water heat pump (either Vaillant aroSplit or Vaillant FlexoCompact)
Why is the design as it is now?
- Dissatisfaction with the designs created in the old thread
Link to original thread: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Bungalow-Grundriss-16x9-5m-aussen-in-1000m-mit-Altbestand.31485/
we have finalized the floor plan for our project and tried to incorporate feedback/criticism from the previous thread. A new thread was also necessary to include relevant information in the initial post.
Development plan/restrictions
Plot size: 1000 m² (10,764 sq ft)
External dimensions of the house: 16 m x 9.5 m (52.5 ft x 31.2 ft) (these were specified by the construction company to stay as close as possible to the budget)
Slope: No
Number of parking spaces: 0
Number of floors: Bungalow
Roof type: Hip roof, gable roof, or shed roof
Orientation: Entrance on the east, living room facing west, dining room facing southwest
Additional requirements: Must blend in with the existing building
Utility connections: Electricity and wastewater/water connections come from the driveway on the west side
Client requirements
Number of people, ages: 4 people (2 x 40 years, 2 x 3 years)
Office: In the outbuilding
Guests per year: Maximum 2
Open or closed layout: Open
Conservative or modern architectural style: Either
Open kitchen, kitchen island: Probably U-shaped kitchen, open to alternatives
Number of dining seats: Possibly 2–4 casual spots in the kitchen; otherwise 6–8 in the dining room
Fireplace: Yes, as a room divider between dining and living room
Garage, carport: On the driveway
House design
Who designed it:
- Based on the bungalow 131 floor plan from Town & Country
- Design planned independently using RoomSketcher
What do you particularly like? Why?
- Room layout (size)
- Room divider between kitchen, dining room, and living room (L-shape)
- No hallway
- Open area as a transition space between kitchen and living room
Cost estimate from architect/planner: 215,000
Personal budget limit for the house, including fittings: 250,000
Preferred heating system: Air-to-water heat pump (either Vaillant aroSplit or Vaillant FlexoCompact)
Why is the design as it is now?
- Dissatisfaction with the designs created in the old thread
Link to original thread: https://www.hausbau-forum.de/threads/Bungalow-Grundriss-16x9-5m-aussen-in-1000m-mit-Altbestand.31485/
I don’t think we need to argue about the size of the toilet bowl now, right? It’s fine as it is. However, it usually makes more sense to place the toilet and sink next to each other, so you don’t have to weave around to the shower in the guest bathroom.
I think the project is gradually shaping up into something acceptable. Okay, the entrance is narrow and not great, but still manageable. I would install a door between the living room and the entrance. There are two reasons for this: 1. it creates more coziness in the living area, and 2. it separates people using the toilet from the living space. After all, you want a quiet place where you don’t feel overheard.
I’m also wondering whether it might be possible to swap the toilet and the utility room, but I suspect you’re not allowed to build over the plumbing lines? Otherwise, it’s certainly nicer to have a window in the toilet—also for guests. The heater doesn’t need any natural light.
I also miss windows on the north side. Two need to be installed there (children’s room + bedroom), and the one behind the bed can then be removed.
I wouldn’t put the bathtub in front of the window. The window needs to be freely accessible as it is used frequently. A more classic layout would be better.
I think the project is gradually shaping up into something acceptable. Okay, the entrance is narrow and not great, but still manageable. I would install a door between the living room and the entrance. There are two reasons for this: 1. it creates more coziness in the living area, and 2. it separates people using the toilet from the living space. After all, you want a quiet place where you don’t feel overheard.
I’m also wondering whether it might be possible to swap the toilet and the utility room, but I suspect you’re not allowed to build over the plumbing lines? Otherwise, it’s certainly nicer to have a window in the toilet—also for guests. The heater doesn’t need any natural light.
I also miss windows on the north side. Two need to be installed there (children’s room + bedroom), and the one behind the bed can then be removed.
I wouldn’t put the bathtub in front of the window. The window needs to be freely accessible as it is used frequently. A more classic layout would be better.
kaho674 schrieb:
I don’t think we need to argue about the size of the toilet bowl now, do we? It’s not about that specific detail. The valid criticism has come up repeatedly that symbols in floor plans are only as useful as how realistically they represent the actual space they require. I was hoping (perhaps in vain) that illustrating the unlikelihood of a fundamentally different anatomy of guests and residents would finally make this clear. But I probably expressed myself unclearly—instead of saying "wide-" I should have said "short-statured"—because the guest toilet (the bowl, not the room) is short in relation to its width (and absolutely).
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@11ant: Can't you just give a straightforward number? You write what feels like 30,000 posts, and as a veteran, you spend more time debating something than making constructive arguments. Where is your "you need 1.40 m (4.6 ft)" distance or something like that? Three pages about the (around the) toilet and all for nothing ^^
PS: All appliances are actual size. That means the exercise bikes/ellipticals are also to scale... For the toilet, I simply planned 75 cm x 45 cm (30 inches x 18 inches) for now (I measured mine, and that’s enough)
@kaho674: Thanks for the factual feedback and suggestions. Unfortunately, I’m not at my PC right now, but my current floor plan incorporates some of your ideas. The kids’ room is smaller (still big enough) and swapped with the bedroom. This gives more space for the kitchen. The living room will be a bit smaller, which is no problem.
PS: All appliances are actual size. That means the exercise bikes/ellipticals are also to scale... For the toilet, I simply planned 75 cm x 45 cm (30 inches x 18 inches) for now (I measured mine, and that’s enough)
@kaho674: Thanks for the factual feedback and suggestions. Unfortunately, I’m not at my PC right now, but my current floor plan incorporates some of your ideas. The kids’ room is smaller (still big enough) and swapped with the bedroom. This gives more space for the kitchen. The living room will be a bit smaller, which is no problem.
Why should I even provide a specific number? How would that be particularly helpful? Just take the toilet from the bathroom—it’s sized correctly there—and simply copy and paste it into the guest WC; then it will fit there as well. Regarding the exercise bikes, your own visual proof (in the form of the 3D floor plan with the correctly sized sofa but without the exercise bike) shows that those machines DO NOT fit there. In that sense, I was almost wrong because I said they would only fit if stored there and that they simply lack the space to be placed with enough clearance for use. But that’s exactly what I meant with the 2D plan (where the sofa is drawn too small, which largely causes the discrepancy)—so that’s just another reason why you shouldn’t draw dollhouse furniture in floor plans.
So again: 1. The dimensions of placeholders should be accurate # 2. A toilet is a toilet—if it has different dimensions in the bathroom and in the WC, probably only one of those is correct # 3. “Only fools cancel sums out” also applies in reverse: the total of correctly measured exercise bike, omitted clearance, and an undersized sofa cannot be correct # 0. Representations of a different version in 2D than in 3D are confusing (apparently even for you).
By the way: reading 30,000 posts is not an exact count, but it’s not just a “feeling” either—that would be four times as many as I’ve written here myself, so it’s rather a conservative estimate.
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So again: 1. The dimensions of placeholders should be accurate # 2. A toilet is a toilet—if it has different dimensions in the bathroom and in the WC, probably only one of those is correct # 3. “Only fools cancel sums out” also applies in reverse: the total of correctly measured exercise bike, omitted clearance, and an undersized sofa cannot be correct # 0. Representations of a different version in 2D than in 3D are confusing (apparently even for you).
By the way: reading 30,000 posts is not an exact count, but it’s not just a “feeling” either—that would be four times as many as I’ve written here myself, so it’s rather a conservative estimate.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
micric3 schrieb:
There probably won't be a fireplace, more likely a wood-burning stove. But where to place it? A stove is essentially a type of fireplace. Anything within a 70cm (28 inch) radius will get scorched, even an exercise bike.
micric3 schrieb:
If after a few years my wife still wants an open kitchen with an island, we'll remove the wall to the living room. Why? An island doesn't depend on that wall.
11ant schrieb:
Good gracious, it just keeps getting worse! Yes, that's what I thought too.
Considering the other thread as well, it only gets worse. The highlight was the bypass around the entire house to reach the entrance. Now there’s a guest toilet without a window (not that a compact bungalow often allows otherwise, but with this narrow layout, that’s quite a feat).
But on second glance (for mobile users), you can see that one child is allowed to cuddle at the living room wall, while the bedroom had to give up some closet space. And I honestly ask myself: why? What is better now compared to the initial designs?
For me, everything is getting worse. The worst part is definitely something like this:
Wouldn’t something like that fit better in an outbuilding?
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