Hello everyone,
We reserved a plot of land 8 weeks ago and started working on the floor plan. After a few days, we found an initial design that we generally like. Not everything is exactly how we imagine it yet, but I think we are on the right track.
Here is the questionnaire:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8,813 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100), so 0.5? -> This only applies to auxiliary buildings, right?
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.6
2 full floors
Building envelope, building line and boundary: approx. 13m x 25m (after southeast enough space), see drawing
Minimum garage distance from the street is 5m (16 ft)
Roof type: gable, hip roof
Homeowners’ Requirements
We would like a large bungalow with a hip roof, which fits the development plan. We plan to build without a basement but want a storage room on the property. The roof structure should allow for future expansion. The attic shall be used for storage initially and later as a playroom for the children (storing a slot car track, table football, etc.). We are 4 persons: child 1 is 6 months old, child 2 is 2.5 years old, my wife (35) and I (37). Our family planning is complete. One of the rooms must serve as an office since I work from home. My wife shares the office with me, so it can be a bit larger. We prioritize a single-level design and sufficiently large rooms.
Space requirements: approx. 140m² (1,507 sq ft) net living space excluding circulation and utility room; (gross about 175m² (1,883 sq ft))
Office: for family use and home office
1 overnight guest per year, so no guest room needed
open floor plan
open kitchen with island
dining area for 4 (one dining space)
no fireplace!
terrace yes!
double garage and later 1 to 2 outdoor parking spaces
House Design
Who created the design:
- Designer from a construction company
What do you particularly like?
Nice living/dining area with kitchen and transition to the terrace.
What do you dislike and why?
Hallway / circulation area very large. It should be even larger if a staircase to the attic is planned in the entrance or rear area in front of the children's room.
Price estimate per designer: $216,000
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: $260,000
Preferred heating system: geothermal heat pump
If you had to give up something, which details or expansions
- could you give up: possibility of attic expansion, smaller bedroom would be okay
- could you not give up: everything else
Why is the design like it is now? For example,
Design created by the planner after several planning attempts and adjustments
What is the most important/basic question regarding the floor plan in 130 characters?
Are there other floor plans that meet our needs? (Alternatives) Is there enough space in the bathroom for a walk-in (barrier-free) shower? Is the office too narrow? (3.11 x 6.59m (10 x 21.6 ft)) If the attic is to be converted, where could a staircase be placed? Current design is 13m x 16.7m (43 x 55 ft). Would extending it to 13m x 17.7m (43 x 58 ft) affect the appearance negatively? I think it would look too stretched to the rear.
We reserved a plot of land 8 weeks ago and started working on the floor plan. After a few days, we found an initial design that we generally like. Not everything is exactly how we imagine it yet, but I think we are on the right track.
Here is the questionnaire:
Development Plan / Restrictions
Plot size: 819m² (8,813 sq ft)
Slope: no
Site coverage ratio: 0.4 (allowable exceedance 25 per 100), so 0.5? -> This only applies to auxiliary buildings, right?
Floor area ratio (FAR): 0.6
2 full floors
Building envelope, building line and boundary: approx. 13m x 25m (after southeast enough space), see drawing
Minimum garage distance from the street is 5m (16 ft)
Roof type: gable, hip roof
Homeowners’ Requirements
We would like a large bungalow with a hip roof, which fits the development plan. We plan to build without a basement but want a storage room on the property. The roof structure should allow for future expansion. The attic shall be used for storage initially and later as a playroom for the children (storing a slot car track, table football, etc.). We are 4 persons: child 1 is 6 months old, child 2 is 2.5 years old, my wife (35) and I (37). Our family planning is complete. One of the rooms must serve as an office since I work from home. My wife shares the office with me, so it can be a bit larger. We prioritize a single-level design and sufficiently large rooms.
Space requirements: approx. 140m² (1,507 sq ft) net living space excluding circulation and utility room; (gross about 175m² (1,883 sq ft))
Office: for family use and home office
1 overnight guest per year, so no guest room needed
open floor plan
open kitchen with island
dining area for 4 (one dining space)
no fireplace!
terrace yes!
double garage and later 1 to 2 outdoor parking spaces
House Design
Who created the design:
- Designer from a construction company
What do you particularly like?
Nice living/dining area with kitchen and transition to the terrace.
What do you dislike and why?
Hallway / circulation area very large. It should be even larger if a staircase to the attic is planned in the entrance or rear area in front of the children's room.
Price estimate per designer: $216,000
Personal price limit for the house including fittings: $260,000
Preferred heating system: geothermal heat pump
If you had to give up something, which details or expansions
- could you give up: possibility of attic expansion, smaller bedroom would be okay
- could you not give up: everything else
Why is the design like it is now? For example,
Design created by the planner after several planning attempts and adjustments
What is the most important/basic question regarding the floor plan in 130 characters?
Are there other floor plans that meet our needs? (Alternatives) Is there enough space in the bathroom for a walk-in (barrier-free) shower? Is the office too narrow? (3.11 x 6.59m (10 x 21.6 ft)) If the attic is to be converted, where could a staircase be placed? Current design is 13m x 16.7m (43 x 55 ft). Would extending it to 13m x 17.7m (43 x 58 ft) affect the appearance negatively? I think it would look too stretched to the rear.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Just a reminder, we need the following rooms.
2 children's rooms
1 office
Living room
Kitchen
Bathroom
Guest toilet
Utility room Yes, everything is included.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Can you remind me what K stands for? K stands for child’s room, Schlafzimmer means bedroom, utility room is for technical equipment etc... it should be self-explanatory, especially since this is a common bungalow layout and the room positions aren’t unusual.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
And where are the living room and kitchen? ...the large room facing the garden and also oriented towards the west, where there could be a terrace.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
And both children’s rooms — where are they? Thanks! ...
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
I meant the U in the bottom right of the room. Still no U. I want to emphasize again that this is just a quick hand sketch with some rough lines. If you see a line twice or similar, it has no meaning. It’s only to indicate directions.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
In our town, a new development area is currently being built. If I waited a bit, I could probably buy one of those lots. But it would be significantly more expensive — at least €25 more per m² (about $2.70 per sq ft).
Let’s say I take one of the northern lots where the two large orange buildings are. Those should be easier to build on, right? That’s something you have to decide for yourself.
The lot is buildable.
Other factors like location, location, location also play a big role. Even just a neighbor or the street in front can affect whether a property is less or more valuable to you.
Better invest the money saved into a slab foundation.
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
If I were a bit more patient, I could probably buy one of those plots. The plot itself is not the issue; rather, it’s that both you and your planner lack spatial imagination — and combined with each other, that’s even more problematic.
The “logical consequence” is that you’re placing the whole layout incorrectly: the house is positioned lengthwise along the side boundary, and the garage is placed where the plot becomes wider. Then you locate the entrance at the corner closest to the driveway, which unfortunately is also the point farthest from the center. It would be better if the garage were closer to the street (approximately where the utility room is now) and the house positioned sideways (roughly from the children's rooms to the garage).
After that, reconsider your initial requirement of having both a bungalow AND a hip roof. Choose either a bungalow OR a hip roof, or a bungalow AND PERHAPS a hip roof. Then bring the main entrance and the central hallway closer together.
https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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Chrisi190625 Jun 2019 20:4311ant schrieb:
The plot itself isn’t the problem, but rather the lack of spatial imagination from both you and your planner – if it were an OR situation, it would be only half as serious.
The “logical consequence” is that you place the ensemble incorrectly: that is, the house lengthwise along the side boundary and the garage where the plot widens. Then you position the entrance at the driveway corner (unfortunately the furthest from the center). It would be better to put the garage closer to the street (approximately where the utility room is now) and position the house crosswise (for example, from the children’s rooms to the garage).
Then you break away from the requirement “bungalow AND hip roof” and either go for “bungalow OR hip roof” or “bungalow AND MAYBE hip roof.” After that, bring the main entrance and the central hallway closer together.The planner had already suggested that we should move away from the bungalow. However, that’s really not what we want. In every plan so far, the house has always been positioned on the left side of the plot.
I could let go of the hip roof, but according to the building regulations (building permit / planning permission), we can only choose between a hip roof or a gable roof. Another thing I could reconsider is keeping the study on the ground floor. Since our children are still young, they could share a room at first, and I could temporarily use one of the children's rooms as a study. Later, the attic could be converted and the study located there. That would still be a compromise.
I have an appointment today with another land seller. The new plot offers some advantages:
- quieter location
- developer and land seller are not the same entity (real estate transfer tax)
- the rear part of the plot faces south
Unfortunately, it costs a bit more, but instead of 819m² (8800 sq ft), I would be satisfied with 700m² (7500 sq ft).
Chrisi1906 schrieb:
Developer and land do not come from the same source(When) did you mention this catch (?)https://www.instagram.com/11antgmxde/
https://www.linkedin.com/company/bauen-jetzt/
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Chrisi190625 Jun 2019 22:5211ant schrieb:
(When) did you mention this catch (?)I hadn’t mentioned that before. The house builder and the land seller are two separate companies, but one important person is involved in both. (He is the managing director of the construction company and a partner in the land selling company.) He is the "man with the flower."
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Chrisi190622 Jul 2019 21:55ypg schrieb:
When I say the plot is not straightforward, I am actually understating it.
Maybe this could be an approach? Hello Yvonne,
you had suggested an L-shaped bungalow. I took your idea and made some changes.
Could you share your opinion on this? Bathroom and utility room face the street.
This is just a rough sketch for now.
Thank you very much!
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