Hello everyone!
My husband and I are in the early stages of planning our house. We had to submit a preliminary house plan to our local municipality (Salzburg Land/Austria) on short notice due to certain requirements. We developed this plan together with our designer with very little preparation time.
We have a somewhat unusual floor plan, in our opinion, featuring a setback on the ground floor, and we mainly want to hear your opinions about this. Our primary concern is whether we have taken a completely absurd approach or if we can build on this basic idea. Our biggest issue is that so far we haven’t seen a single house with this type of floor plan (neither online nor in real life, at least around Salzburg and nearby ...) and naturally, we wonder why. Does it have any significant disadvantages? Does it look strange in any way?
We look forward to your feedback and are already very grateful for your constructive criticism and especially your time to help us.
Now to the questionnaire:
Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size 920 m² (9,900 sq ft)
Slope Elevated plot, gently sloping on three sides
Owners’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type rural-modern, gable roof, two-family house
Basement, floors Basement, 2 full floors, attic
Number of occupants, ages Currently three (28, 29, and 8 months old) with 1-2 more children planned
Space requirements on ground and upper floors
Ground floor: spacious open kitchen with integrated pantry, dining area, living room, WC, bathroom, office (later a bedroom)
Upper floor: 3 children’s bedrooms, family bathroom, WC
Attic: master bedroom with bathroom and an additional room (extra bedroom / hobby room)
Ground floor + upper floor approx. 200 m² (2,150 sq ft); attic size not yet finalized
Office For family use and later bedroom
Kitchen L-shaped with cooking island and wood stove
Number of dining seats 6-8, possibly extendable table for more space
Fireplace Yes – planned as a room divider between living room and "common room"
Balcony Balcony on the first floor – should eventually be large enough for the second family
Garage Small garage for 1 vehicle and a larger garage for 2 vehicles
House design
Planned by:
Designer from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why?
Cost estimate according to architect/designer not yet available – only a preliminary draft
Personal budget for house including fixtures and fittings 350,000 € (with a lot of personal labor)
Preferred heating technology Heat pump
If you had to give up something, which features/finishes
- Could give up: attic expansion initially, but want to keep the possibility for future use
- Cannot give up: a cozy and large kitchen/dining area is very important to us
Why does the design look the way it does?
The most important aspect of our planning is that the house can be converted into a two-family home in the future when one of our children would need it, earliest in 20–25 years. That would mean one living unit on the ground floor and a second on the first floor plus the attic.
The office planned on the ground floor would then be used as a bedroom. The staircase can be completely separated with a (already marked) wall but is intended to remain open until then.
The attic is planned to house the master bedroom with bathroom. This is where the plan shows the biggest weaknesses for us: the bedroom is too large, and the bathroom is too small. This definitely needs to be changed.
Why sleep in the attic? There is not enough space on the ground floor, and we want to keep privacy from the children’s bedrooms so that when our kids are older and have friends/partners visiting, everyone can have their own space. We know this might be inconvenient with small children/babies due to additional distances, but since children’s bedrooms 1 and 2 are relatively large, siblings could share a room, and bedroom 3 could serve as a “backup bedroom” for us. We are only planning for two children but you never know!
If later children’s bedrooms 1 and 2 become kitchen/living areas, there would then be one bedroom on the first floor and two more in the attic.
What we particularly like is the idea of the split-level living room. We are aware that opinions on this are very divided and most experts discourage it. However, the level difference is only 36 cm (2 steps), and we believe it will be manageable even as we get older.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
We would really like to know from you:









My husband and I are in the early stages of planning our house. We had to submit a preliminary house plan to our local municipality (Salzburg Land/Austria) on short notice due to certain requirements. We developed this plan together with our designer with very little preparation time.
We have a somewhat unusual floor plan, in our opinion, featuring a setback on the ground floor, and we mainly want to hear your opinions about this. Our primary concern is whether we have taken a completely absurd approach or if we can build on this basic idea. Our biggest issue is that so far we haven’t seen a single house with this type of floor plan (neither online nor in real life, at least around Salzburg and nearby ...) and naturally, we wonder why. Does it have any significant disadvantages? Does it look strange in any way?
We look forward to your feedback and are already very grateful for your constructive criticism and especially your time to help us.
Now to the questionnaire:
Development plan / Restrictions
Plot size 920 m² (9,900 sq ft)
Slope Elevated plot, gently sloping on three sides
Owners’ requirements
Style, roof type, building type rural-modern, gable roof, two-family house
Basement, floors Basement, 2 full floors, attic
Number of occupants, ages Currently three (28, 29, and 8 months old) with 1-2 more children planned
Space requirements on ground and upper floors
Ground floor: spacious open kitchen with integrated pantry, dining area, living room, WC, bathroom, office (later a bedroom)
Upper floor: 3 children’s bedrooms, family bathroom, WC
Attic: master bedroom with bathroom and an additional room (extra bedroom / hobby room)
Ground floor + upper floor approx. 200 m² (2,150 sq ft); attic size not yet finalized
Office For family use and later bedroom
Kitchen L-shaped with cooking island and wood stove
Number of dining seats 6-8, possibly extendable table for more space
Fireplace Yes – planned as a room divider between living room and "common room"
Balcony Balcony on the first floor – should eventually be large enough for the second family
Garage Small garage for 1 vehicle and a larger garage for 2 vehicles
House design
Planned by:
Designer from a construction company
What do you particularly like? Why?
- “Split-level” living room – in our opinion, this creates a visual separation between the kitchen/dining area and is our little “highlight.” The living room remains a distinct living space and doesn’t get cluttered with toys because the common room offers plenty of space.
- “Common room” – this refers to the area between the living room and kitchen in front of the terrace door – lots of space for children to play and creates an open atmosphere while keeping the living room somewhat separated. Where a sofa is drawn, a fireplace with a reading corner as a room divider is also planned.
- Setback at the terrace – seating area covered and wind-protected with privacy screening. The resulting floor plan (where the living room is not directly adjacent to the kitchen and dining area as in many open-concept designs) is something we like.
- The office is intended to become our bedroom later, but in our opinion, it is currently too small for that.
- Main entrance is in the basement – spatially, the floor plan doesn’t allow for another solution; otherwise, the entrance would be on the back of the house, which we do not like. However, there is certainly another entrance on the ground floor for easier access when bringing in groceries, so you don’t have to carry everything through the basement.
- The cloakroom in the basement is still too small but can be easily enlarged – just mentioning this in case someone notices.
Cost estimate according to architect/designer not yet available – only a preliminary draft
Personal budget for house including fixtures and fittings 350,000 € (with a lot of personal labor)
Preferred heating technology Heat pump
If you had to give up something, which features/finishes
- Could give up: attic expansion initially, but want to keep the possibility for future use
- Cannot give up: a cozy and large kitchen/dining area is very important to us
Why does the design look the way it does?
The most important aspect of our planning is that the house can be converted into a two-family home in the future when one of our children would need it, earliest in 20–25 years. That would mean one living unit on the ground floor and a second on the first floor plus the attic.
The office planned on the ground floor would then be used as a bedroom. The staircase can be completely separated with a (already marked) wall but is intended to remain open until then.
The attic is planned to house the master bedroom with bathroom. This is where the plan shows the biggest weaknesses for us: the bedroom is too large, and the bathroom is too small. This definitely needs to be changed.
Why sleep in the attic? There is not enough space on the ground floor, and we want to keep privacy from the children’s bedrooms so that when our kids are older and have friends/partners visiting, everyone can have their own space. We know this might be inconvenient with small children/babies due to additional distances, but since children’s bedrooms 1 and 2 are relatively large, siblings could share a room, and bedroom 3 could serve as a “backup bedroom” for us. We are only planning for two children but you never know!
If later children’s bedrooms 1 and 2 become kitchen/living areas, there would then be one bedroom on the first floor and two more in the attic.
What we particularly like is the idea of the split-level living room. We are aware that opinions on this are very divided and most experts discourage it. However, the level difference is only 36 cm (2 steps), and we believe it will be manageable even as we get older.
What is the most important/basic question about the floor plan in 130 characters?
We would really like to know from you:
- Is there a name for this floor plan style (like L-shaped or U-shaped)?
- What do you think in general about the idea of the setback? We like the idea of having a covered terrace area and the resulting floor plan. We haven’t seen houses or floor plans like this before (if at all, only with bungalows) and wonder why? Does nobody like it, or are there disadvantages we are overlooking? Do you have experiences with sunlight exposure – will it be a problem that the setback measures 3.5 m (11.5 ft) from the balcony edge to the terrace door?
- Even though we love the idea, we would appreciate experiences and opinions on the split-level living room.
- Would you build the wall separating the common room from the living room (shown as 1.20 m (4 ft) high in the plan) all the way to the ceiling?
- Suggestions and ideas for the office/bedroom on the ground floor – how could the layout be changed to make the room at least 5 m² (54 sq ft) larger?
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HilfeHilfe5 Jun 2019 07:02underestimated costs
Wrong Order
1. Budget Framework
2. Floor Plan
The budget framework determines what is feasible, not the wishes.
You specified 350,000 but Ypg estimated 600,000, and that already includes a lot of your own labor. If you were to build move-in ready, it would be 600,000 plus basement, garage, attic, additional construction costs—which are higher here due to the sloping site—and landscaping.
If one child stays, for example, you can separate the TV area and convert it into a bedroom.
Without children, you don’t need that much space.
Split-level: my parents-in-law have a true split-level house and complain every day. They immediately said we shouldn’t build like that.
Your child is becoming mobile now. Do you want to watch closely to prevent it from accidentally falling down the stairs for the next two years?
At 30 years old a broken leg, later arthritis, various age-related aches.
Looking at the side view, you are really filling up a lot of space. How exactly does the building line run?
I can’t read the elevation data properly.
In the floor plan, be sure to draw the correct furniture to scale in every room.
Plan to finish later. You are paying off debts, maintaining a house, supporting three children — money will no longer be available.
Regarding the floor plan
Basement entrance and cloakroom too small
What will you use the basement for?
Ground Floor
The pantry seems very narrow
Why one bathroom plus a separate WC?
As noted by Ypg, where will the dining table go?
Upper Floor
Stairs not aligned on top of each other; you should try a different configuration.
Again, 1.5 bathrooms here.
I would plan a normal sleeping floor here with two children's rooms and one master bedroom.
Attic
Do not finish this at all.
You have rooms on every floor that you don’t use.
1. Budget Framework
2. Floor Plan
The budget framework determines what is feasible, not the wishes.
You specified 350,000 but Ypg estimated 600,000, and that already includes a lot of your own labor. If you were to build move-in ready, it would be 600,000 plus basement, garage, attic, additional construction costs—which are higher here due to the sloping site—and landscaping.
If one child stays, for example, you can separate the TV area and convert it into a bedroom.
Without children, you don’t need that much space.
Split-level: my parents-in-law have a true split-level house and complain every day. They immediately said we shouldn’t build like that.
Your child is becoming mobile now. Do you want to watch closely to prevent it from accidentally falling down the stairs for the next two years?
At 30 years old a broken leg, later arthritis, various age-related aches.
Looking at the side view, you are really filling up a lot of space. How exactly does the building line run?
I can’t read the elevation data properly.
In the floor plan, be sure to draw the correct furniture to scale in every room.
Plan to finish later. You are paying off debts, maintaining a house, supporting three children — money will no longer be available.
Regarding the floor plan
Basement entrance and cloakroom too small
What will you use the basement for?
Ground Floor
The pantry seems very narrow
Why one bathroom plus a separate WC?
As noted by Ypg, where will the dining table go?
Upper Floor
Stairs not aligned on top of each other; you should try a different configuration.
Again, 1.5 bathrooms here.
I would plan a normal sleeping floor here with two children's rooms and one master bedroom.
Attic
Do not finish this at all.
You have rooms on every floor that you don’t use.
We have two steps on the ground floor between the kitchen/dining area and the living room. I find it quite annoying and am already looking forward to not having this in our next house. It mainly bothers me when vacuuming and cleaning.
I would reconsider whether the house should really be planned as a multi-family home. There is too much uncertainty involved. Who knows what will happen in 20 to 25 years, where work or studies will take the children, whether they will even want to live there, or whether you still want to live there yourselves. I think it’s not worth it.
I would reconsider whether the house should really be planned as a multi-family home. There is too much uncertainty involved. Who knows what will happen in 20 to 25 years, where work or studies will take the children, whether they will even want to live there, or whether you still want to live there yourselves. I think it’s not worth it.
I also think it’s pointless to plan such a spacious house with all kinds of extras (balconies, garages, basement, multiple bathrooms, etc.) and set the budget at 350,000 euros. For that amount, others build a very simple house without a basement. So before moving on to detailed planning, I would first clarify the financing. The estimate is about 2,000 euros per square meter of living space (without recesses, balconies, additional bathrooms, etc.). On top of that, there is the basement (for a house of this size certainly around 80,000 euros), additional construction costs, painting, flooring, and complete furnishings.
Landscaping your slope with stones will definitely not be cheap either.
Best regards,
Sabine
Landscaping your slope with stones will definitely not be cheap either.
Best regards,
Sabine
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