ᐅ KfW40 house offer with heat pump and mechanical ventilation with heat recovery— is it worth it?
Created on: 25 May 2019 21:19
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Hello everyone,
Today I received a house offer from a prefabricated house supplier.
They list the exhaust air heat pump Nibe F 750 with supply air module SAM 40 as the heating system. The maximum building heating load is said to be 7.5 kW.
Additionally, there is underfloor heating and a 180 L (48 gallon) domestic hot water storage tank.
The house is located near Cologne/Bonn Airport (for climate reference) and is about 120 m² (1,290 sq ft) in size (excluding the basement).
I have already read a lot of negative things about exhaust air heat pumps, so I want to ask again if this system is any good, and if not, what would be an alternative and how much more would that cost?
Thank you very much!
Today I received a house offer from a prefabricated house supplier.
They list the exhaust air heat pump Nibe F 750 with supply air module SAM 40 as the heating system. The maximum building heating load is said to be 7.5 kW.
Additionally, there is underfloor heating and a 180 L (48 gallon) domestic hot water storage tank.
The house is located near Cologne/Bonn Airport (for climate reference) and is about 120 m² (1,290 sq ft) in size (excluding the basement).
I have already read a lot of negative things about exhaust air heat pumps, so I want to ask again if this system is any good, and if not, what would be an alternative and how much more would that cost?
Thank you very much!
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Lumpi_LE schrieb:
What kind of house is that supposed to be?
I find that quite unrealistic. This is a reasonable target value for building a KfW 40 house.
For example, a timber frame construction can achieve this quite easily.
Alternatively, a calcium silicate brick wall with 200mm (8 inches) of EPS insulation with a thermal conductivity of 0.032 W/(m·K) applied can also reach this range.
Monolithic construction methods, however, have difficulties meeting such requirements.
Please show me a KfW-40 house with a heating transmission coefficient (HT') of 0.14.
There is no doubt that it is possible, but a KfW-40 house from a prefabricated house manufacturer, as TE described, will never achieve this value.
It simply cannot be done with a timber frame construction, unless you eliminate the supply temperature at the windows. It also cannot be achieved with sand-lime brick and 200mm (8 inches) insulation.
Edit: Supply temperature for better understanding: We have about 20m² (215 sq ft) of windows and 160m² (1722 sq ft) of walls. The windows have a Uw value of 0.8. To compensate the windows with the walls and reach an HT' of 0.14, the walls would need a U value of about 0.06. That corresponds to roughly 60cm (24 inches) of insulation. And that does not even account for thermal bridges.
There is no doubt that it is possible, but a KfW-40 house from a prefabricated house manufacturer, as TE described, will never achieve this value.
It simply cannot be done with a timber frame construction, unless you eliminate the supply temperature at the windows. It also cannot be achieved with sand-lime brick and 200mm (8 inches) insulation.
Edit: Supply temperature for better understanding: We have about 20m² (215 sq ft) of windows and 160m² (1722 sq ft) of walls. The windows have a Uw value of 0.8. To compensate the windows with the walls and reach an HT' of 0.14, the walls would need a U value of about 0.06. That corresponds to roughly 60cm (24 inches) of insulation. And that does not even account for thermal bridges.
Lumpi_LE schrieb:
Please show me a KfW-40 house with a heat transfer coefficient (HT') of 0.14.
There is no doubt it’s possible, but a KfW-40 house from a prefab home provider as TE describes will never achieve this value.
It’s simply not possible with a timber frame, unless you omit the supply temperature to the windows. It’s just as impossible with calcium silicate blocks and 200mm (8 inches) of insulation.
Edit: To clarify supply temperature: We have about 20m² (215 sq ft) of windows and 160m² (1,722 sq ft) of walls. The windows have a Uw-value of 0.8. If I wanted to compensate for the windows with the walls to reach an HT' of 0.14, the walls would need a U-value of about 0.06. That means roughly 60cm (24 inches) of insulation. And that still doesn’t account for thermal bridges. Everything is correct, but it’s off-topic here.
He received the U-values of individual components from his home provider. He is using them for the calculator because he has no other data. At this point, that is the only reasonable approach.
A completely nonsensical approach. If I want to know how many liters my car consumes per 100 km (62 miles) and someone tells me that the tank holds 60 liters (16 gallons), I obviously wouldn't assume 60 liters per 100 km.
But anyway, he already understood that and calculated with a heat transfer coefficient of 0.3.
But anyway, he already understood that and calculated with a heat transfer coefficient of 0.3.
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