Hello everyone
We are currently planning our single-family house with a basement, totaling 120 sqm (1292 sq ft), and we are a bit shocked by the structural engineers’ quotes. The offers we received ranged from 10,000 euros to 20,000 euros. Our architect said the costs are so high because all companies are extremely busy at the moment. Do you think these costs are reasonable?
Best regards
AnnaSophie34
We are currently planning our single-family house with a basement, totaling 120 sqm (1292 sq ft), and we are a bit shocked by the structural engineers’ quotes. The offers we received ranged from 10,000 euros to 20,000 euros. Our architect said the costs are so high because all companies are extremely busy at the moment. Do you think these costs are reasonable?
Best regards
AnnaSophie34
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pffreestyler26 Mar 2019 11:30170 sqm (1830 sq ft) without a basement
Structural engineering and thermal insulation calculation = €1,785 including VAT
Local engineering firm, which my site manager regularly works with...
20k is tough
Structural engineering and thermal insulation calculation = €1,785 including VAT
Local engineering firm, which my site manager regularly works with...
20k is tough
montessalet26 Mar 2019 11:37pffreestyler schrieb:
170 sqm (1830 sq ft) without a basement
Structural engineering + thermal insulation calculation = €1,785 including VAT
Local engineering firm that my site manager regularly works with ...
20k is outrageousI would even say: 20K is pure rip-off! That’s really not acceptable—unless it was unclear what was included in the offer....
As always, the question is what exactly is included and what the requirements are. That’s why you only get nonsensical answers.
Let’s apply this to your request and the responses:
I want to buy a new bike, I am 180 cm (5 ft 11 in) tall. The bike should cost €3000, is that too expensive?
Answers:
- Mine cost €600 at the hardware store here, yours is way too expensive.
- I’m even 1.95 m (6 ft 5 in) tall and paid €1500 at a big bike shop, so yours is too expensive.
- My bike cost €4000 even though I’m only 1.65 m (5 ft 5 in), so the price is fine.
Let’s apply this to your request and the responses:
I want to buy a new bike, I am 180 cm (5 ft 11 in) tall. The bike should cost €3000, is that too expensive?
Answers:
- Mine cost €600 at the hardware store here, yours is way too expensive.
- I’m even 1.95 m (6 ft 5 in) tall and paid €1500 at a big bike shop, so yours is too expensive.
- My bike cost €4000 even though I’m only 1.65 m (5 ft 5 in), so the price is fine.
AnnaSophie34 schrieb:
The quotes for this ranged between 10,000 euros and 20,000If the structural engineer charges according to the usual HOAI fee structure, such amounts can occur (see online calculators). I would recommend calling and asking what is included. There can be a (significant) difference between structural calculations for the shell construction and complete structural engineering: balconies, garages, terraces, canopies, etc. If your architect has planned these elements in a relatively open and customized way, this can lead to additional working hours compared to just the shell structure calculations.It has to be clear that dumping offers like 2,000 euros violate the HOAI because they are below the minimum rate, making the fee agreement invalid. The "correct" fee can also be claimed retroactively.
"Cheap" structural engineers can also backfire. They make things easy for themselves by adding safety margins everywhere. A few more centimeters of concrete here, a bit more reinforcement there. This way, the money doesn’t go to the engineer’s fee but ends up on the shell builder’s invoice.
"Cheap" structural engineers can also backfire. They make things easy for themselves by adding safety margins everywhere. A few more centimeters of concrete here, a bit more reinforcement there. This way, the money doesn’t go to the engineer’s fee but ends up on the shell builder’s invoice.
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