ᐅ Looking for a construction company in the Greater Stuttgart area!

Stuttgart0711 schrieb:
The architecture of the houses varies, but changing the positioning of walls shouldn’t make that much of a difference.

…definitely more than just rearranging outlets… bay windows, overhangs, projections, larger ceiling panels, more reinforcement steel, and so on… that can have a major impact.

Without more details on the offers (see @Zaba12) no one can really assess it. Maybe you could upload a picture of the designs so we can see the different architectural styles?

Before I get too caught up in details: You have a business degree and should be familiar with this. Your house construction can be optimized based on three classic parameters: cost – quality – time. Choose what is important to you...

Thoughts you should immediately discard are:
1. A contractor is giving something away for free.
2. A contractor deliberately wants to drive away customers.

Obstlerbaum, that was very wisely written and definitely applies here. Since you have already decided on Fermo, you have probably gained some experience by now.

These are completely different approaches:

Speidel is a company that presents you with a standard, ready-made house design like a generic block from a drawer and then arranges 13 other trades for you, with separate contracts for each. Included are the building permit (planning permission), construction drawings, structural engineering, and site management. You can usually choose the location of the front door, but no one creates an individual design for you, at least not in terms of aesthetics. However, it is noteworthy that landfill and excavation work are already included in their standard construction description. At Fermo, disposal alone costs about 20,000 euros (approximately $21,500).

Fermo, on the other hand, offers everything from a single source, has its own employees, and a huge company building. They inherently have very different overhead and personnel costs and require a different margin and corresponding contribution margins. Also, there is an architect who draws up your customized home design—I assume that architect will also want a fee that Fermo has to pay.

And yes, there are additional costs with both providers, which I have also compared. Let’s say these vary between 15,000 and 20,000 euros (approximately $16,000 to $21,500).

At the end of the day, however, there remains a difference of more than 150,000 euros (about $160,000), bringing us back to the original question: Is it worth it?

Deciding based on the company building alone is, in my opinion, not very conclusive. Speidel also has quite a large building for just 15 employees, as I see it. Now, take a look at all the company buildings of all subcontractors together and check if Fermo has fewer square meters per person. By the way, at Fermo, the architect, structural engineer, etc., are employees—there are no separate fees. From my point of view, the payment schedule is also very fair; moreover, almost all trades come from a single source, and there are no gaps in the workflow. And Speidel also offers you a fixed-price guarantee? After all, none of your trades have even been tendered when you sign the contract...

A quick question regarding your quotes: You only calculate the area for the ground floor and upper floor, correct? Storage basements and the like are not included.

Stuttgart0711 schrieb:
Obstlerbaum, that was very well said and definitely accurate. Since you’ve already decided on Fermo, you’ve probably gathered some experience by now.

They really represent completely different approaches:

Speidel is a firm that offers you a standard, ready-made house design pulled from a drawer and then coordinates 13 other trades, with separate contracts for each. Included are, of course, the building permit (or planning permission), detailed construction drawings, structural calculations, and site supervision. You can likely choose the location of the front door, but no one will create a custom design for you in terms of style. Interestingly, landfill fees and excavation are already covered in their standard building specification. With Fermo, disposal costs alone are about 20,000 euros.

Fermo, on the other hand, offers everything from a single source, has its own employees, and a large company building. They inherently have very different overhead, personnel costs, and require different margins and coverage contributions. Plus, there’s an architect involved who designs your custom house, and I assume Fermo needs to pay them a fee.

And yes, there are additional costs with both providers, and I’ve compared those as well. Let’s assume these vary between 15,000 and 20,000 euros.

At the end of the day, there remains a difference of more than 150,000 euros, and that brings us back to the original question: is it worth it…

If you mean €150k for “service,” definitely not. You can push it even further and exclude the architect from phase 4 onwards when working with the right companies. :-p

You can do anything… if you have the time or the money!

Hello Obstlerbaum:

When I count the areas, I count them the same way. Adding everything up, it comes to 175 versus 166 square meters (sqm) of living space. I don’t include terraces. Then the basements are added. The total overall is 237 versus 217 sqm.

I have attached the file.

And yes, the offer states a fixed price. I didn’t know that the trades still have to be put out to tender by Speidel.