ᐅ Concrete blocks behind external thermal insulation composite systems (ETICS), block type or joint masonry, costs

Created on: 29 Jan 2012 16:38
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Behaim
Hello!
We are about to build our house using 30cm (12 inches) LIAPOR Super-K-Plus blocks, with a 14cm (5.5 inches) external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS) using polystyrene on top.

Now my question:
Our general contractor says that it might not really be worthwhile to bond the Liapor blocks as formwork blocks, and that it would be sufficient to lay them normally with a 12mm (0.5 inch) mortar joint.

Is this something you would agree with, and how much more expensive would the formwork blocks be? Would that be practical behind an ETICS?

Thank you!
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NorbertKoch
29 Jan 2012 21:40
Hello,

I agree completely. You tell the general contractor where the path goes, and you should insist on that.

I would also have the load-bearing interior walls made with adhesive bricks. For the non-load-bearing ones (usually 11.5cm (4.5 inches) thick), you can use other materials. These are typically built only after the concrete slab is poured or after formwork removal.

Best regards
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NorbertKoch
29 Jan 2012 21:41
Additional note on hanging pictures.

Use steel nails or alternatively anchors.

Regards
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Behaim
30 Jan 2012 07:00
NorbertKoch schrieb:
Additional note about hanging pictures.

Use steel nails or else anchors.

Regards

Thanks for the tip, I’ve also heard about using steel nails. Somehow, the picture hooks will get attached to the wall one way or another. We valued the sound insulation of the interior walls highly (hopefully with three children), which is also why we decided against aerated concrete. Using anchors just for a few pictures seems a bit excessive to me, but with smaller pictures the nail should only need to grip the plaster anyway, so that should be sufficient...
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Behaim
30 Jan 2012 07:03
E.Curb schrieb:
I believe you are completely mistaken about that. The general contractor must follow what you want. Where would we end up otherwise.........?

Regards

That’s true. I have specified a lot myself, including improved roof insulation, since the original simple scope of work only mentioned cavity insulation between rafters. But especially when it comes to masonry, I have to consider what is recommended to me in relation to insulation and building services. Whether I then accept it or not is my decision. For example, I was strongly advised against using fully filled bricks (which I originally thought about). The recommendation was the Liapor Super K Plus, a 30cm (12 inch) stone combined with 14cm (5.5 inch) external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS), which results in an acceptable wall performance and completely avoids thermal bridges, despite all the disadvantages or criticisms of ETICS.

Of course, I set the direction, that’s why I’m involved, but if choosing aerated concrete blocks for example makes the project €5,000 more expensive, that doesn’t help me at all!
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30 Jan 2012 11:38
Behaim schrieb:
... His recommendation was the Liapor Super K Plus with a 30cm (12 inch) block combined with 14cm (5.5 inch) external thermal insulation composite system (ETICS), which results in an acceptable wall performance and completely avoids thermal bridges, despite all the disadvantages or criticisms of ETICS.
There are also different options for ETICS. The higher the thermal insulation proportion of the load-bearing structure, the more diffusion-open the additional insulation must be! This way, you will not have any issues with ETICS.

Best regards
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Tatze
30 Jan 2012 12:33
Behaim schrieb:
For example, I was strongly advised against using insulated brick blocks (which I had originally considered).

Hello Behaim, 🙂

We are also thinking about building with insulated brick blocks. Could you please explain the exact reason why you were advised against using these blocks?

Thank you and best regards

Tatze

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