ᐅ Honest Opinion on the Bungalow Floor Plan – Approximately 175 sqm
Created on: 30 Jan 2019 15:46
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AleHer0209
A warm hello to everyone,
we are currently at the beginning of our first building project. Looking ahead, we have decided on a bungalow. The floor plan is just an initial idea and not final; the dimensions can still be changed.
Development Plan / Restrictions – see attachment
Plot size – approx. 1060 sqm (11,409 sq ft)
Slope – none
Floor area ratio – 0.4
Plot ratio – 0.5
Building window, building line, and boundary – planned 5 m (16 ft) from the street
Edge development – yes
Number of floors – single-story
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type – modern plastered, left and right shed roofs, flat in the middle and garage, bungalow
Basement, floors – no basement
Number of occupants, age – two people, no children
Office: family use or home office? – both
Open or closed design – open
Conservative or modern construction – modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – island
Number of dining places – minimum 4
Fireplace – possibly decorative only
Balcony, roof terrace – garden terrace
Garage, carport – garage
Utility garden, greenhouse – no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine – tiled toilet in the garage for the dog, long stays in the garden // terrace during summer
House Design
Designed by:
- Architect
- What do you particularly like? Why? – Separate zones between private areas and guest-accessible areas.
- What do you dislike? Why? – The garage needs to be moved forward because a second terrace might be built on the east side.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 300,000
Preferred heating system: heat pump with deep drilling and preferably a ventilation system,
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions?
Open to everything
Why is the design as it is now? For example,
The architect implemented our wishes.
Looking forward to your honest feedback.
we are currently at the beginning of our first building project. Looking ahead, we have decided on a bungalow. The floor plan is just an initial idea and not final; the dimensions can still be changed.
Development Plan / Restrictions – see attachment
Plot size – approx. 1060 sqm (11,409 sq ft)
Slope – none
Floor area ratio – 0.4
Plot ratio – 0.5
Building window, building line, and boundary – planned 5 m (16 ft) from the street
Edge development – yes
Number of floors – single-story
Client Requirements
Style, roof shape, building type – modern plastered, left and right shed roofs, flat in the middle and garage, bungalow
Basement, floors – no basement
Number of occupants, age – two people, no children
Office: family use or home office? – both
Open or closed design – open
Conservative or modern construction – modern
Open kitchen, kitchen island – island
Number of dining places – minimum 4
Fireplace – possibly decorative only
Balcony, roof terrace – garden terrace
Garage, carport – garage
Utility garden, greenhouse – no
Additional wishes / special features / daily routine – tiled toilet in the garage for the dog, long stays in the garden // terrace during summer
House Design
Designed by:
- Architect
- What do you particularly like? Why? – Separate zones between private areas and guest-accessible areas.
- What do you dislike? Why? – The garage needs to be moved forward because a second terrace might be built on the east side.
Price estimate according to architect/planner: 300,000
Preferred heating system: heat pump with deep drilling and preferably a ventilation system,
If you have to give up something, which details/extensions?
Open to everything
Why is the design as it is now? For example,
The architect implemented our wishes.
Looking forward to your honest feedback.
AleHer020931 Jan 2019 11:19ypg schrieb:
In Lower Saxony, yes. However, with €1800/sqm (square meter), I would expect the standard house type (rectangular with a pitched roof).
A shed roof is more expensive, a flat roof is more expensive, plus you have two junctions (flat roof/wall) that must be properly executed to keep the house dry.
More work for the roofer, etc.
Then an insulated garage... oh dear... you are close to 400,000.
With architects, always allow a buffer of 20% instead of 10%.
However, the €300,000 estimated by the architect is confusing, since architects include earthworks in their calculations.
I count these as additional construction costs. Hey,
I always had the impression that a shed roof and a flat roof tend to be cheaper than a pitched roof. Of course, with our large surface areas it will be more expensive, that is clear to me/us. But as I mentioned before, cost should not be the focus of my question, as the budget is not yet fixed and only a preliminary “ballpark” figure.
AleHer020931 Jan 2019 11:37ypg schrieb:
Please keep in mind that friends should not use your construction schedule as a personal calendar. Either you end up with many construction breaks because the electrician friend is only available in two weeks, or you get nothing done because private matters take priority after work.
About the house: I agree with others that the house gets fairly little benefit from its favorable west-facing side. The hallway is very, very long, and the kids’ rooms are not laid out very fairly. The shower and toilet should be swapped so that when sitting, there is natural light and a view. The T-shaped area needs to be slightly repositioned. The wardrobe space is no longer sufficient for four people; it only just covers seasonal items for two. And where will the other coats, bags, etc., go? The hallway is downright wasteful. The utility room is nicely large but has to serve many purposes. For your next planning stage, you can consider all criteria, because you won’t avoid redesigning if the local development plan is still valid:
The ridge direction is specified, and the two ridges on your house are perpendicular to the requirement.
Good for you if I’m wrong. Since we are living right next to the construction site in a house we already bought, we don’t have much stress there. It can definitely also take a year.
1) What alternatives are there to that hallway? Our idea was that from the hallway you could access all rooms in a logical order, one after the other.
2) Child 1 comes first and draws first—joking aside. Children also arrive one after another, which is why we chose one smaller and one larger room. And if it stays with just one, we still have a hobby room.
3) The guest toilet was previously located in the hallway. After shifting it to the right side of the building, the hallway naturally became larger. Possibly, the wardrobe can be placed on the other side.
4) Regarding the local development plan / building permit, I honestly have to admit that I relied on the statements from the architect and the district office.
AleHer020931 Jan 2019 11:40kaho674 schrieb:
I agree with Yvonne. Also: The atrium-like recess facing the garden will ultimately just be a dark, cramped corner. I would prefer to sit on a wide, sunny terrace.The terrace is planned to extend from that "corner" on the right-hand side up to the garage. However, I also see the possibility that, due to the wind, a small storage spot for leaves or similar debris might form there.
AleHer020931 Jan 2019 11:45hanse987 schrieb:
The garage is definitely unheated, and I don't see a 49cm (19 inches) wall there either.The garage is indeed unheated, but the entire building including the garage should have a double-wall construction. This has not yet been implemented in the drawing.
AleHer0209 schrieb:
I always had the impression that a shed roof and a flat roof are usually more affordable than a gable roof. With the same level of waterproofing, a flat roof is always somewhat more expensive than a steeper pitched roof; but especially, every change or transition in the roof surface adds cost. That means even if both options were priced the same, the flat roof section between the pitched roofs would result in an additional cost (which in my opinion is worth it for the look).
AleHer0209 schrieb:
Children come one after another, which is why we chose one smaller and one larger room. Exactly. At the same time, the younger child is naturally smaller than the older one, and if they are identical twins, they simply share the larger room. Only in the case of fraternal twins would the partition need to be moved, but I consider drywall construction practical for such an adjustment anyway.
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Mottenhausen31 Jan 2019 12:59AleHer0209 schrieb:
Since we live right next to the construction site in a house we bought, we don’t really have any stress there. So it could also take a year. For EL it’s practical to live next door, no question.
But it actually makes things worse with the "helpers": you walk past the house every day, over weeks... waiting for person X or Y, and nothing moves forward. You have no way to apply pressure.
The billing from the construction trade association can get interesting too: 15,000€ (about $16,500)? Already planned for that?
PS regarding the main question: I don’t think the house is as bad as some have made it out to be here. The potential for things to get worse with a new design seems quite high. I think a few careful changes to the current floor plan are enough.
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