ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters
Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.
The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.
The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.
The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.
We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.
We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...
Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.
Best regards!
MayrCh schrieb:
My fault. I obviously meant cost calculation.That wasn’t meant to come across as condescending as it might have sounded. Sorry.
MayrCh schrieb:
If you want to meet the turnaround: Better now than never.But what would that actually look like? With new construction, you might be able to stop the build and downscale the plans, but in an existing building? Whether the extension has one or two floors probably won’t make a significant difference, and with only about 100m² (1,080 sq ft) of living space initially, it seems to me that this is quite low on the priority list.
Everything else on the action list, with few exceptions, consists of items that can only be controlled through quality. For those, I don’t need a cost calculation; instead, I have to ask the contractor which option is cheaper.
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Ruhrgebiet2328 Jan 2019 21:15I am definitely learning that nothing agreed upon verbally should be carried out without an agreed price. For example, we largely demolished a covered terrace ourselves. Regarding the floor, the architect said it wouldn’t be a big deal if the structural builder handled it. In the end, we paid 2,231 euros plus VAT in labor costs alone for this, plus 490 euros for disposal. It was labeled as "skilled worker daily wages according to measurement." However, this was never discussed again until the invoice. We didn’t agree to anything, didn’t receive any estimates, nothing.
Also, on Wednesday we were informed that the young architect told the structural builder to remove some earth behind the extension since he was already there. We immediately stopped that by email after receiving the invoice.
Is it common to only learn prices for such additional tasks when the invoice arrives? Everything should be documented in writing, right? Otherwise, anyone can just claim they did something... I also can’t imagine that removing the terrace took 46 hours. It was already gone on the second day when I visited the construction site.
For such an amount, I would have gladly done it myself.
Also, on Wednesday we were informed that the young architect told the structural builder to remove some earth behind the extension since he was already there. We immediately stopped that by email after receiving the invoice.
Is it common to only learn prices for such additional tasks when the invoice arrives? Everything should be documented in writing, right? Otherwise, anyone can just claim they did something... I also can’t imagine that removing the terrace took 46 hours. It was already gone on the second day when I visited the construction site.
For such an amount, I would have gladly done it myself.
Dr Hix schrieb:
But what should it look like? Removing the 9m (30 feet) double prefabricated garage alone will probably reduce the budget by around €20,000, without any loss of living quality.
Next is prioritization: Do I really need all bathrooms and rooms fully finished right now, or can the completion of some spaces that aren’t immediately needed be postponed to a later time, possibly with some DIY effort? A paved driveway/courtyard/entrance path is certainly nice for move-in. However, many people (including us) have accessed their homes for years over limestone gravel, not a step, but a Euro pallet. The driveway still has a timeless limestone gravel look.
“Unnecessary but nice” features such as spotlights have already been mentioned. Then you can discuss DIY work and quality. Of course, all this only applies if the builder’s personal circumstances allow it.
R
Ruhrgebiet2328 Jan 2019 21:21Yes, we definitely need to consider that. We have been looking forward to the garage for 10 years, so it would be quite disappointing. We have also thought about postponing the paving work for now.
@MayrCh : Please see post #49
But where do you see the benefit of a cost calculation in this context? I can only repeat myself and speak from my painful experience: Building a house is extremely demanding, and you will have to deal repeatedly with a wide range of parties involved. I would manage my energy carefully and only get involved where there is something to gain.
In this case, that means confronting the civil engineer and asking him to explain how he arrived at 96m³ (125 cubic yards) and why the disposal costs are so astronomically high.
Alienating the architect at this early stage over what is essentially a redundant piece of paper is, in my opinion, not productive.
But where do you see the benefit of a cost calculation in this context? I can only repeat myself and speak from my painful experience: Building a house is extremely demanding, and you will have to deal repeatedly with a wide range of parties involved. I would manage my energy carefully and only get involved where there is something to gain.
In this case, that means confronting the civil engineer and asking him to explain how he arrived at 96m³ (125 cubic yards) and why the disposal costs are so astronomically high.
Alienating the architect at this early stage over what is essentially a redundant piece of paper is, in my opinion, not productive.
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
We have been looking forward to the garage for 10 years already; losing it would be very painfulWith that money, you could afford cars with parking heaters for the rest of your life
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