ᐅ Architect’s Responsibilities Regarding KfW Funding Interest and Additional Matters

Created on: 13 Jul 2018 11:44
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Ruhrgebiet23
Hello everyone,

We purchased a house in February this year. It’s a semi-detached house from the 1950s, generally in good, old condition. It quickly became clear to us that we wanted and were able to invest a significant amount of money (up to around 300,000,000 Euros) to have everything done “properly.” We found an architect through a distant acquaintance who accompanied us for the inspection in December.

The purchase was completed in February, and we hoped for a quick submission of the building permit / planning permission application — we intended to renovate everything (new heating system, pipes, insulation, windows, etc.) and extend the back. We already had a draft design, which was roughly adopted and, of course, detailed further. The architect informed us at the second meeting that he had a new employee who would be responsible for our project. We were a bit surprised but accepted it. Some mistakes have been made by him (e.g., compass directions on the building permit incorrectly shown — my husband noticed this before submission; errors concerning the development boundaries, which, however, were never acknowledged), but that is not the main point here.

The original architect quickly made it clear that he was rather skeptical about insulation. As a result, we also assumed that achieving low-energy house standards or similar would not be possible. However, we stated early on that we were very interested in a photovoltaic system for hot water.

The building permit / planning permission was submitted three months ago, and since then we have been waiting — no one is responsible for the delay (at least not the architect). Meanwhile, we have been constantly trying to discuss KfW (government) funding programs with the architects. Both say that adapting the house to be age-appropriate is easier to implement than energy-efficient renovation. Because we persistently asked, they have now admitted that funding measures for energy-efficient renovation are also possible. Regarding further information, they consistently refer us to a financial advisor, who can only tell us that loan terms there are generally better than at our regular bank. We have now brought in an energy consultant to assess what really makes sense for our property. She believes that insulation according to the Energy Saving Ordinance is quite reasonable and not much more expensive. She met with the architects earlier this week.

We have already asked the architects several times to prepare a detailed cost breakdown — so far, we only have a rough estimate from 02/2018. But in order to decide what kind of funding might be suitable FOR US, we need comparable figures. Is that really too much to ask? What can we reasonably expect from the architect? He is contracted for all phases of the project.

We feel that the architects simply want to keep the planning effort as low as possible. We have to raise many issues multiple times before they are considered. For example, we asked for a drywall partition wall to the neighbor to be planned. At the last meeting, we were asked to finalize the kitchen plan as soon as possible. When we finally got the dimensions, we asked again if the drywall partition had been included. It had not. This has been repeated with many things so far, where we as laypeople have to remind them constantly. We certainly will not be able to think of everything... The new architect independently handles the exterior design of the entrance area — when we point out efflorescence in the basement, he replies that he can look into it during construction. We are laypeople, but their priorities don’t seem very logical to us...

Maybe I’m mistaken, so I would appreciate your assessments.

Best regards!
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Zaba12
28 Jan 2019 17:34
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
Why are you being so snappy? I am recording everything...

Sorry, I meant in the contract. Not every item is broken down like in the bill of quantities.

I was serious about the luck!
For me, there are detailed quotes. Nothing more. These are signed, and that’s it. Somehow, I don’t understand your architect. You are really making things much too complicated.
Dr Hix28 Jan 2019 17:55
Zaba12 schrieb:
Uh sorry but 150€ per cubic meter with a container compared to 18€ per cubic meter with a truck van.

Even for disposal using a container, I find that quite steep. Here in East Westphalia-Lippe (OWL), we pay 250€ for a 5 m³ (6.5 yd³) "soil-stone" skip from the local waste disposal company, which equals 50€/m³ (40$/yd³). The landscaping contractor charges 30€ for a 10 m³ (13 yd³) container.

I would probably talk to the civil engineer and ask for a clear breakdown. That’s bordering on price gouging and could potentially be a criminal offense.
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Zaba12
28 Jan 2019 18:00
Maybe the soil is poor, or the architect and the structural builder are just splitting the money. Who knows :-p
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Ruhrgebiet23
28 Jan 2019 19:15
Zaba12 schrieb:
Maybe the soil is poor or the architect and the structural builder are sharing the money. Who knows

Honestly, I didn’t want to write this here because it’s quite a serious accusation. But since no other quote from another drywall contractor has been provided at all, I’m starting to suspect something like that myself.

We didn’t have a soil report done, but since the neighborhood is well established and even the structural builder said the excavations were straightforward, I don’t think the soil was particularly bad.

The disposal receipts only say "1 flat-container delivery 6 cubic meters (6.2 cubic yards) for / (sic!) Tg".
On some of the slips, the driver didn’t sign, only the structural builder did.
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MayrCh
28 Jan 2019 19:16
Ruhrgebiet23 schrieb:
Over 15,000 euros disposal costs for excavation seems to be excessive.

I cannot assess this statement. The contracts for shell construction and civil engineering were obviously awarded based on a tender process using a bill of quantities and awarding procedure. This means the most economical offer was accepted here. The prices were known beforehand; it was simply the quantities that were poorly estimated.
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Ruhrgebiet23
28 Jan 2019 19:16
Zaba12 schrieb:
That was meant seriously about the luck!
So for me, there are detailed quotes. Nothing more. These are signed, and that’s it. Somehow I don’t understand your architect. You’re really making things much more complicated than necessary.

Oh, sorry. What do you mean by saying that we are making it difficult for ourselves?