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Karstenkrass11 Jan 2019 01:44Hello dear experts,
We are planning to start building with an architectural firm around April. The trades will be tendered and contracted separately. However, since I have already done some research and obtained quotes myself, I am now a bit confused.
According to the cost calculation from the architect, all windows including roller shutters (12 floor-to-ceiling, 4 regular) and the front door including delivery and installation should cost just under 38k.
Here is an excerpt:
Window door elements as planned, delivered and installed according to RAL standards*
Base material: plastic.
CE marked, wind load resistance: Class C4, air permeability: 4,
Thermal transmittance coefficient: max. 0.98 W/m²K,
Watertightness against driving rain: E900, version: basic security,
Interior color: white, exterior color: white, glass: 4-14-4-14-4,
Ug max. 0.6 W/m²K, g-value 51%, sound insulation Rw 32 dB,
Light transmittance 72%, tilt-and-turn,
Including misuse lock, window handle Mawex white, glazing bead style: standard,
Spacer bar: TGI, white, left glazing bead: 6.5 mm (0.26 inches), right glazing bead: 6.5 mm (0.26 inches),
Frame drainage: forward* Exte Expert XT roller shutter box,
Box height: 220 mm (8.7 inches), inspection flap: bottom,
Shutter type: plastic, shutter color: white,
Drive F1: motor, cable length: 3000 mm (9.8 feet), RF
Guide rail: plaster rail inside: aluminum angle,
Extension with XPS insulation up to raw masonry.
Plaster rail outside: aluminum angle, extension with XPS up to raw masonry.
Oximo RTS radio motor* External window sills:
Padang white, 200 mm (7.9 inches) projection, polished,
Including rainwater grooves bottom longitudinal and top crosswise 2x,
Including EPDM foil / sealing for parapet or base profile*
Window elements as planned, delivered and installed according to RAL standards*
Base material: plastic*
CE marked, wind load resistance: Class C4, air permeability: 4,
Thermal transmittance coefficient: max. 0.98 W/m²K,
Watertightness against driving rain: E900, version: basic security,
Interior color: white, exterior color: white, glass: 4-14-4-14-4,
Ug max. 0.6 W/m²K, g-value 51%, sound insulation Rw 32 dB,
Light transmittance 72%, tilt-and-turn,
Including misuse lock, window handle Mawex white, glazing bead style: standard,
Spacer bar: TGI, white, left glazing bead: 6.5 mm (0.26 inches), right glazing bead: 6.5 mm (0.26 inches),
Frame drainage: forward* Exte Expert XT roller shutter box,
Box height: 220 mm (8.7 inches), inspection flap: bottom,
Shutter type: plastic, shutter color: white,
Drive F1: motor, cable length: 3000 mm (9.8 feet), RF
Guide rail: plaster rail inside: aluminum angle,
Extension with XPS insulation up to raw masonry.
Plaster rail outside: aluminum angle, extension with XPS up to raw masonry.
Oximo RTS radio motor* External window sills:
Padang white, 200 mm (7.9 inches) projection, polished,
Including rainwater grooves bottom longitudinal and top crosswise 2x,
Including EPDM foil / sealing for parapet or base profile* Internal window sills:
Jura marble 250 mm (10 inches)*
Now I have obtained 2 offers that are very close in price, around 23k including front door and installation. Which of course I don’t complain about. These even have RC1 security rating, are lockable, anthracite on the outside, and the roller shutters are made of aluminum.
Here is an excerpt from one of the quotes:
Item 1: PVC WINDOW 2 LEAF TILT/SLIDE
Outer dimensions: 1370 x 2125 mm (54 x 84 inches)
Quantity Price Value
10 x =
630.67
Discount 25.0%
473.00 4730.00
Technology: REHAU - SYNEGO®
Color: INSIDE: WHITE, outside: ANTHRACITE
Glass: U0.6S 4-16-4-14-4 WARM EDGE
Seal: BLACK
Frame: 72.MD (2.3)
Sash: Z59
Fittings: WINKHAUS ACTIV RC1
Window sill connection: +30 mm (1.2 inches)
Window handle: LOCKABLE
Window handle color: WHITE
Hinge color: WHITE
Locking system: RC1N configuration
Item 2: ROLLER SHUTTER BOX FOR ITEM 1
Outer dimensions: 1370 x 2345 mm (54 x 92 inches)
Quantity Price Value
10 x =
442.84
Discount 25.0%
332.13 3321.30
Technology: TP2000K
BOX PVC WHITE
BOX HEIGHT: 220 MM (8.7 inches)
BOX PREPARED FOR PLASTER WORK
GUIDES: ANTHRACITE
ROLLER SHUTTER CURTAIN: Aluminum PA39 ANTHRACITE
ELECTRIC DRIVE PORTOS WITHOUT
PRESSURE SWITCH
I have not yet talked to the architect, but a price difference of 15k just for the windows is quite significant—in a positive way.
Was it similar for you?
We are planning to start building with an architectural firm around April. The trades will be tendered and contracted separately. However, since I have already done some research and obtained quotes myself, I am now a bit confused.
According to the cost calculation from the architect, all windows including roller shutters (12 floor-to-ceiling, 4 regular) and the front door including delivery and installation should cost just under 38k.
Here is an excerpt:
Window door elements as planned, delivered and installed according to RAL standards*
Base material: plastic.
CE marked, wind load resistance: Class C4, air permeability: 4,
Thermal transmittance coefficient: max. 0.98 W/m²K,
Watertightness against driving rain: E900, version: basic security,
Interior color: white, exterior color: white, glass: 4-14-4-14-4,
Ug max. 0.6 W/m²K, g-value 51%, sound insulation Rw 32 dB,
Light transmittance 72%, tilt-and-turn,
Including misuse lock, window handle Mawex white, glazing bead style: standard,
Spacer bar: TGI, white, left glazing bead: 6.5 mm (0.26 inches), right glazing bead: 6.5 mm (0.26 inches),
Frame drainage: forward* Exte Expert XT roller shutter box,
Box height: 220 mm (8.7 inches), inspection flap: bottom,
Shutter type: plastic, shutter color: white,
Drive F1: motor, cable length: 3000 mm (9.8 feet), RF
Guide rail: plaster rail inside: aluminum angle,
Extension with XPS insulation up to raw masonry.
Plaster rail outside: aluminum angle, extension with XPS up to raw masonry.
Oximo RTS radio motor* External window sills:
Padang white, 200 mm (7.9 inches) projection, polished,
Including rainwater grooves bottom longitudinal and top crosswise 2x,
Including EPDM foil / sealing for parapet or base profile*
Window elements as planned, delivered and installed according to RAL standards*
Base material: plastic*
CE marked, wind load resistance: Class C4, air permeability: 4,
Thermal transmittance coefficient: max. 0.98 W/m²K,
Watertightness against driving rain: E900, version: basic security,
Interior color: white, exterior color: white, glass: 4-14-4-14-4,
Ug max. 0.6 W/m²K, g-value 51%, sound insulation Rw 32 dB,
Light transmittance 72%, tilt-and-turn,
Including misuse lock, window handle Mawex white, glazing bead style: standard,
Spacer bar: TGI, white, left glazing bead: 6.5 mm (0.26 inches), right glazing bead: 6.5 mm (0.26 inches),
Frame drainage: forward* Exte Expert XT roller shutter box,
Box height: 220 mm (8.7 inches), inspection flap: bottom,
Shutter type: plastic, shutter color: white,
Drive F1: motor, cable length: 3000 mm (9.8 feet), RF
Guide rail: plaster rail inside: aluminum angle,
Extension with XPS insulation up to raw masonry.
Plaster rail outside: aluminum angle, extension with XPS up to raw masonry.
Oximo RTS radio motor* External window sills:
Padang white, 200 mm (7.9 inches) projection, polished,
Including rainwater grooves bottom longitudinal and top crosswise 2x,
Including EPDM foil / sealing for parapet or base profile* Internal window sills:
Jura marble 250 mm (10 inches)*
Now I have obtained 2 offers that are very close in price, around 23k including front door and installation. Which of course I don’t complain about. These even have RC1 security rating, are lockable, anthracite on the outside, and the roller shutters are made of aluminum.
Here is an excerpt from one of the quotes:
Item 1: PVC WINDOW 2 LEAF TILT/SLIDE
Outer dimensions: 1370 x 2125 mm (54 x 84 inches)
Quantity Price Value
10 x =
630.67
Discount 25.0%
473.00 4730.00
Technology: REHAU - SYNEGO®
Color: INSIDE: WHITE, outside: ANTHRACITE
Glass: U0.6S 4-16-4-14-4 WARM EDGE
Seal: BLACK
Frame: 72.MD (2.3)
Sash: Z59
Fittings: WINKHAUS ACTIV RC1
Window sill connection: +30 mm (1.2 inches)
Window handle: LOCKABLE
Window handle color: WHITE
Hinge color: WHITE
Locking system: RC1N configuration
Item 2: ROLLER SHUTTER BOX FOR ITEM 1
Outer dimensions: 1370 x 2345 mm (54 x 92 inches)
Quantity Price Value
10 x =
442.84
Discount 25.0%
332.13 3321.30
Technology: TP2000K
BOX PVC WHITE
BOX HEIGHT: 220 MM (8.7 inches)
BOX PREPARED FOR PLASTER WORK
GUIDES: ANTHRACITE
ROLLER SHUTTER CURTAIN: Aluminum PA39 ANTHRACITE
ELECTRIC DRIVE PORTOS WITHOUT
PRESSURE SWITCH
I have not yet talked to the architect, but a price difference of 15k just for the windows is quite significant—in a positive way.
Was it similar for you?
H
HilfeHilfe11 Jan 2019 06:33Hello,
I see that the offer mentions a 25% discount. When I calculate the discount, I get a benefit of €7,000. Then your architect also wants to see something and always estimates conservatively.
Are all other items included, such as assembly? Is it a new company or an established one?
I also wonder why you are disturbing him at work? Don’t you trust him?
I see that the offer mentions a 25% discount. When I calculate the discount, I get a benefit of €7,000. Then your architect also wants to see something and always estimates conservatively.
Are all other items included, such as assembly? Is it a new company or an established one?
I also wonder why you are disturbing him at work? Don’t you trust him?
First, you need to compare whether the windows actually have the same features in terms of sound insulation, thermal insulation, etc. For example, I don’t see anything mentioned about interior and exterior window sills, which are included in the first offer. If everything is truly the same or even better, then just be happy. Usually, the differences tend to be upwards rather than downwards compared to the architect’s cost estimate.
Hello,
Here is an excerpt from my price list.
The windows come directly from Poland from Veka without any middlemen. Veka Alphaline 90 MD profile.
Floor-to-ceiling windows 1230 mm x 2100 mm (48 inches x 83 inches), in RAL 7016, with RC 2 security rating and pressure lens in the handle.
€348 net.
Aluminum roller shutters, same as yours.
€225 net plus €39 net for the motor.
Installation is additional. On average, that is about €100 net.
Personally, I wouldn’t install windows rated lower than RC 2 anymore. Look at how few locking points a standard window and RC1 have.
Furthermore, I wouldn’t use lockable handles either, as people tend to leave the key in out of habit, and they don’t look good either.
Here is an excerpt from my price list.
The windows come directly from Poland from Veka without any middlemen. Veka Alphaline 90 MD profile.
Floor-to-ceiling windows 1230 mm x 2100 mm (48 inches x 83 inches), in RAL 7016, with RC 2 security rating and pressure lens in the handle.
€348 net.
Aluminum roller shutters, same as yours.
€225 net plus €39 net for the motor.
Installation is additional. On average, that is about €100 net.
Personally, I wouldn’t install windows rated lower than RC 2 anymore. Look at how few locking points a standard window and RC1 have.
Furthermore, I wouldn’t use lockable handles either, as people tend to leave the key in out of habit, and they don’t look good either.
H
HilfeHilfe11 Jan 2019 08:46gmt94 schrieb:
Hello,
Here is an excerpt from my price list.
Windows come directly from Poland from Veka without intermediaries. Profile Alphaline 90 MD.
Floor-to-ceiling windows, 1230 x 2100 mm (48 x 83 inches), in RAL 7016, with RC 2 security rating and pressure lens in the handle.
348€ net.
Aluminum roller shutters, same as yours.
225€ net plus 39€ net for the motor.
Installation is additional. On average, this is about 100€ net.
Personally, I wouldn’t install any windows below RC 2 anymore. Look at how few locking points a standard window and RC 1 have.
Furthermore, I would also avoid lockable handles; usually, people leave the keys in the lock out of habit, and they don’t look good either.Hello, and who installs them for you? A German company or a firm from Poland?
What happens with complaints or warranty claims?
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